Comments on: Meat, methane, and global warming http://www.sindark.com/2007/01/20/meat-methane-and-global-warming/ dispatches from Canada's capital Wed, 07 Jan 2009 20:25:55 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: a sibilant intake of breath » Blog Archive » Listeria and the food system http://www.sindark.com/2007/01/20/meat-methane-and-global-warming/#comment-49389 a sibilant intake of breath » Blog Archive » Listeria and the food system Tue, 26 Aug 2008 11:51:34 +0000 http://www.sindark.com/2007/01/20/meat-methane-and-global-warming/#comment-49389 [...] Meat, methane, and global warming [...] [...] Meat, methane, and global warming [...]

]]> By: a sibilant intake of breath » Blog Archive » Honey and veganism http://www.sindark.com/2007/01/20/meat-methane-and-global-warming/#comment-47821 a sibilant intake of breath » Blog Archive » Honey and veganism Tue, 05 Aug 2008 04:21:57 +0000 http://www.sindark.com/2007/01/20/meat-methane-and-global-warming/#comment-47821 [...] Meat, methane, and global warming [...] [...] Meat, methane, and global warming [...]

]]> By: a sibilant intake of breath » Blog Archive » Reasons for vegetarianism http://www.sindark.com/2007/01/20/meat-methane-and-global-warming/#comment-30686 a sibilant intake of breath » Blog Archive » Reasons for vegetarianism Tue, 18 Dec 2007 12:29:30 +0000 http://www.sindark.com/2007/01/20/meat-methane-and-global-warming/#comment-30686 [...] Meat, methane, and global warming [...] [...] Meat, methane, and global warming [...]

]]> By: a sibilant intake of breath » Blog Archive » This thesis is carbon neutral http://www.sindark.com/2007/01/20/meat-methane-and-global-warming/#comment-13812 a sibilant intake of breath » Blog Archive » This thesis is carbon neutral Wed, 18 Apr 2007 17:33:19 +0000 http://www.sindark.com/2007/01/20/meat-methane-and-global-warming/#comment-13812 [...] Six tonnes should cover my personal energy usage, as well as flights to and from Vancouver and emissions associated with printing the thesis. I have also included an estimate for my share of the power used by the server hosting this site. Methane is twenty-one times more potent a greenhouse gas than CO2 and livestock agriculture produces about 18% of global emissions (discussed earlier). [...] [...] Six tonnes should cover my personal energy usage, as well as flights to and from Vancouver and emissions associated with printing the thesis. I have also included an estimate for my share of the power used by the server hosting this site. Methane is twenty-one times more potent a greenhouse gas than CO2 and livestock agriculture produces about 18% of global emissions (discussed earlier). [...]

]]> By: Milan http://www.sindark.com/2007/01/20/meat-methane-and-global-warming/#comment-9299 Milan Sun, 11 Feb 2007 01:25:04 +0000 http://www.sindark.com/2007/01/20/meat-methane-and-global-warming/#comment-9299 <a href="http://www.phdcomics.com/comics/archive.php?comicid=582" rel="nofollow">Food guide for grad students</a> Food guide for grad students

]]> By: jake http://www.sindark.com/2007/01/20/meat-methane-and-global-warming/#comment-8658 jake Sat, 03 Feb 2007 21:05:05 +0000 http://www.sindark.com/2007/01/20/meat-methane-and-global-warming/#comment-8658 grass-fed beef is definitely better than most kinds of meat, but it still contributes a lot to global warming because cows are methane-producing machines. the less beef we eat, the better from a climate change perspective. regardless, i think there's a strong moral argument to be made that we do not have the right to kill animals. grass-fed beef is definitely better than most kinds of meat, but it still contributes a lot to global warming because cows are methane-producing machines. the less beef we eat, the better from a climate change perspective.

regardless, i think there’s a strong moral argument to be made that we do not have the right to kill animals.

]]> By: R.K. http://www.sindark.com/2007/01/20/meat-methane-and-global-warming/#comment-7888 R.K. Sun, 21 Jan 2007 19:11:28 +0000 http://www.sindark.com/2007/01/20/meat-methane-and-global-warming/#comment-7888 Gross, but relevant: <a href="http://www.boingboing.net/2007/01/20/big_factory_pig_farm.html" rel="nofollow">Big factory pig farms are some of America's worst polluters </a> Gross, but relevant: Big factory pig farms are some of America’s worst polluters

]]> By: Milan http://www.sindark.com/2007/01/20/meat-methane-and-global-warming/#comment-7892 Milan Sun, 21 Jan 2007 16:00:22 +0000 http://www.sindark.com/2007/01/20/meat-methane-and-global-warming/#comment-7892 Yeah, <a href="http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/12840743/porks_dirty_secret_the_nations_top_hog_producer_is_also_one_of_americas_worst_polluters/" rel="nofollow">The Rolling Stone article</a> upon which that BoingBoing post was based is amazingly sickening. Yeah, The Rolling Stone article upon which that BoingBoing post was based is amazingly sickening.

]]> By: Milan http://www.sindark.com/2007/01/20/meat-methane-and-global-warming/#comment-7884 Milan Sun, 21 Jan 2007 12:30:03 +0000 http://www.sindark.com/2007/01/20/meat-methane-and-global-warming/#comment-7884 Tristan, I agree that absolute vegetarianism is not a moral requirement. That said, I don't think there is much meat out there that meets your requirements. The best solution to the GHG aspect of the problem - in the long term - is probably a system of individual carbon allowances that you can spend on driving, steak, or airline travel according to your preferences. Tristan,

I agree that absolute vegetarianism is not a moral requirement. That said, I don’t think there is much meat out there that meets your requirements.

The best solution to the GHG aspect of the problem - in the long term - is probably a system of individual carbon allowances that you can spend on driving, steak, or airline travel according to your preferences.

]]> By: tristan http://www.sindark.com/2007/01/20/meat-methane-and-global-warming/#comment-7881 tristan Sun, 21 Jan 2007 06:20:15 +0000 http://www.sindark.com/2007/01/20/meat-methane-and-global-warming/#comment-7881 The fact that the meat industry produces a disproportionately high amount of greenhouse gases is not an argument for no-exeption vegetarien diets. Rather, it imposes the demand to make one's meat - eating incompatible with the meat industry as it exists. However, the simple move to eating organic is not enough. Probably, one needs to buy meat only when you know where the meat is from, and how it is produced. It's my impression that cattle which graze on large ranches, ignored by their owners for most of the year, are a fairly sustainable form of meat production. Furthermore, since the number of animals that can be supported in this manner is minimal, it would mean an order of magnitude rise in beef prices and less consumption overall. However, the market can never produce this solution on its own, and probably not even with regulation, because as the price for meat went up, the incentive to cheat the regulations and keep more cattle than is sustainable would rise proportionatly. The fact that the meat industry produces a disproportionately high amount of greenhouse gases is not an argument for no-exeption vegetarien diets. Rather, it imposes the demand to make one’s meat - eating incompatible with the meat industry as it exists. However, the simple move to eating organic is not enough. Probably, one needs to buy meat only when you know where the meat is from, and how it is produced. It’s my impression that cattle which graze on large ranches, ignored by their owners for most of the year, are a fairly sustainable form of meat production. Furthermore, since the number of animals that can be supported in this manner is minimal, it would mean an order of magnitude rise in beef prices and less consumption overall.

However, the market can never produce this solution on its own, and probably not even with regulation, because as the price for meat went up, the incentive to cheat the regulations and keep more cattle than is sustainable would rise proportionatly.

]]> By: Milan http://www.sindark.com/2007/01/20/meat-methane-and-global-warming/#comment-7877 Milan Sun, 21 Jan 2007 01:12:55 +0000 http://www.sindark.com/2007/01/20/meat-methane-and-global-warming/#comment-7877 Vattenfall also has <a href="http://www.vattenfall.com/www/ccc/ccc/Gemeinsame_Inhalte/DOCUMENT/567263vattenfall/603733agric.pdf" rel="nofollow">a report specifically on agriculture</a>. Vattenfall also has a report specifically on agriculture.

]]> By: Milan http://www.sindark.com/2007/01/20/meat-methane-and-global-warming/#comment-7876 Milan Sun, 21 Jan 2007 01:08:36 +0000 http://www.sindark.com/2007/01/20/meat-methane-and-global-warming/#comment-7876 This is quite interesting: http://www.vattenfall.com/climatemap/ Vattenfall is a Swedish energy company and one of the leading energy producers in Northern Europe. This is quite interesting:

http://www.vattenfall.com/climatemap/

Vattenfall is a Swedish energy company and one of the leading energy producers in Northern Europe.

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