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		<title>By: .</title>
		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2007/01/25/executive-pay/#comment-97772</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Sep 2010 23:12:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Mr Pfeffer starts by rubbishing the notion that the world is just—that the best way to win power is to be good at your job. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.economist.com/node/16990691?story_id=16990691&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The relationship between rewards and competence is loose at best.&lt;/a&gt; Bob Nardelli was a disastrous CEO of Home Depot. But he was paid nearly a quarter of a billion dollars to leave and quickly moved to the top slot at Chrysler, which then went bankrupt. Mr Pfeffer points out that CEOs who presided over three years of poor earnings and led their firms into bankruptcy only faced a 50% chance of losing their jobs (and perfectly successful senior managers are routinely cleaned out when new CEOs take over). There are plenty of things that matter more than competence, such as the ability to project drive and self-confidence.

The best way to increase your chances of reaching the top is to choose the right department to join. The most powerful departments are the ones that have produced the current big-wigs (R&amp;D in Germany, finance in America), and the ones that pay the most. But the trick is to find the department that is on the rise. Robert McNamara and his fellow whizz kids flourished in post-war America because they realised that power was shifting to finance. Zia Yusuf zoomed up the ranks of SAP, a German software company, because he offered something that the engineering-dominated company lacked: expertise in corporate strategy. Men with pay-TV backgrounds have risen in media companies like News Corporation and Time Warner—rightly so, given the importance of cable and satellite TV to those businesses. &quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Mr Pfeffer starts by rubbishing the notion that the world is just—that the best way to win power is to be good at your job. <a href="http://www.economist.com/node/16990691?story_id=16990691" rel="nofollow">The relationship between rewards and competence is loose at best.</a> Bob Nardelli was a disastrous CEO of Home Depot. But he was paid nearly a quarter of a billion dollars to leave and quickly moved to the top slot at Chrysler, which then went bankrupt. Mr Pfeffer points out that CEOs who presided over three years of poor earnings and led their firms into bankruptcy only faced a 50% chance of losing their jobs (and perfectly successful senior managers are routinely cleaned out when new CEOs take over). There are plenty of things that matter more than competence, such as the ability to project drive and self-confidence.</p>
<p>The best way to increase your chances of reaching the top is to choose the right department to join. The most powerful departments are the ones that have produced the current big-wigs (R&amp;D in Germany, finance in America), and the ones that pay the most. But the trick is to find the department that is on the rise. Robert McNamara and his fellow whizz kids flourished in post-war America because they realised that power was shifting to finance. Zia Yusuf zoomed up the ranks of SAP, a German software company, because he offered something that the engineering-dominated company lacked: expertise in corporate strategy. Men with pay-TV backgrounds have risen in media companies like News Corporation and Time Warner—rightly so, given the importance of cable and satellite TV to those businesses. &#8220;</p>
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		<title>By: Tristan</title>
		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2007/01/25/executive-pay/#comment-96834</link>
		<dc:creator>Tristan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Sep 2010 13:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Doesn’t it seem logical that either CEOs deserve their pay or they do not?&quot;

Non contradiction applies only when the attribute is applied to the subject &quot;in the same way&quot;. So it&#039;s quite possible that, in a sense, CEOs deserve their pay, while in another sense, they do not. They difficult thing is to understand these different senses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Doesn’t it seem logical that either CEOs deserve their pay or they do not?&#8221;</p>
<p>Non contradiction applies only when the attribute is applied to the subject &#8220;in the same way&#8221;. So it&#8217;s quite possible that, in a sense, CEOs deserve their pay, while in another sense, they do not. They difficult thing is to understand these different senses.</p>
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		<title>By: Milan</title>
		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2007/01/25/executive-pay/#comment-96814</link>
		<dc:creator>Milan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Sep 2010 16:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doesn&#039;t it seem logical that either CEOs deserve their pay or they do not? Suggesting that they have an obligation to give some to charity suggests they never deserved it in the first place. That being said, I agree that voluntary giving is laudable, at least when compared with not doing so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doesn&#8217;t it seem logical that either CEOs deserve their pay or they do not? Suggesting that they have an obligation to give some to charity suggests they never deserved it in the first place. That being said, I agree that voluntary giving is laudable, at least when compared with not doing so.</p>
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		<title>By: oleh</title>
		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2007/01/25/executive-pay/#comment-96486</link>
		<dc:creator>oleh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 16:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Occasionally in the newspapers I will read of CEO&#039;s of some companies receiving compensation in extraordinary amounts - say over $100 million dollars. I wonder possibly use that amount in any natural way.

I expect it is a form of competitiveness where the CEO sees it as a measure of the stature of that CEO as against other CEO&#039;s.

Perhaps they could follow the example of some of the world&#039;s wealthiest people (such as Bill and Melinda Gates and Warren Buffet) and commit to contributing at least half to worthwhile causes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Occasionally in the newspapers I will read of CEO&#8217;s of some companies receiving compensation in extraordinary amounts &#8211; say over $100 million dollars. I wonder possibly use that amount in any natural way.</p>
<p>I expect it is a form of competitiveness where the CEO sees it as a measure of the stature of that CEO as against other CEO&#8217;s.</p>
<p>Perhaps they could follow the example of some of the world&#8217;s wealthiest people (such as Bill and Melinda Gates and Warren Buffet) and commit to contributing at least half to worthwhile causes.</p>
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		<title>By: .</title>
		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2007/01/25/executive-pay/#comment-96481</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 16:36:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Such facts are inevitably followed by the impossible-to-answer question, do they deserve it? While the corporate world has certainly gotten more complex over the last 50 years, it’s hard to make the case that CEOs themselves have gotten any smarter, or that investors are doing a better job of judging a CEO’s success. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.newsweek.com/2010/09/04/why-do-ceos-make-so-much-money.html&quot; title=&quot;Why Do CEOs Make So Much Money? - Newsweek&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Compensation levels are all too often driven by short-term thinking.&lt;/a&gt; The CEOs of the 50 firms that laid off the most workers since the onset of the economic crisis took home 42 percent more pay in 2009 than their peers did—largely because cutting workers boosts short-term profits and appeals to Wall Street. Yet a growing body of academic research suggests that downsizing doesn’t always lead to increased profitability over the longer haul, or even lower costs. There are many reasons for this, ranging from the fact that companies going into layoff mode often lose their best workers to competitors, to the toll taken on R&amp;D spending, which is what produces the revenue and growth potential of the future.

While one can argue the merits of layoffs on a company-by-company basis, what’s striking is that the executives who are the most willing to ax workers also seem to be the least likely to tighten their own belts. Management guru Peter Drucker once noted that after CEO-to-worker pay ratios went above 25–1, major moral questions started to be raised. It will be hard to make employees believe that “we’re all in this together” when it becomes clear in public documents that company leaders have largely insulated themselves from any financial risk.

The larger issue of growing inequity in the Western world is a tough one to tackle; the forces of globalization that have led to stagnating wages aren’t going to disappear. But executive pay could be made fairer and more transparent. For starters, corporate America might take a page out of the European playbook. In countries like Germany, which boasts many of the world’s most competitive and productive companies, worker representatives often sit on corporate boards, providing a check against bloated pay packages.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Such facts are inevitably followed by the impossible-to-answer question, do they deserve it? While the corporate world has certainly gotten more complex over the last 50 years, it’s hard to make the case that CEOs themselves have gotten any smarter, or that investors are doing a better job of judging a CEO’s success. <a href="http://www.newsweek.com/2010/09/04/why-do-ceos-make-so-much-money.html" title="Why Do CEOs Make So Much Money? - Newsweek" rel="nofollow">Compensation levels are all too often driven by short-term thinking.</a> The CEOs of the 50 firms that laid off the most workers since the onset of the economic crisis took home 42 percent more pay in 2009 than their peers did—largely because cutting workers boosts short-term profits and appeals to Wall Street. Yet a growing body of academic research suggests that downsizing doesn’t always lead to increased profitability over the longer haul, or even lower costs. There are many reasons for this, ranging from the fact that companies going into layoff mode often lose their best workers to competitors, to the toll taken on R&amp;D spending, which is what produces the revenue and growth potential of the future.</p>
<p>While one can argue the merits of layoffs on a company-by-company basis, what’s striking is that the executives who are the most willing to ax workers also seem to be the least likely to tighten their own belts. Management guru Peter Drucker once noted that after CEO-to-worker pay ratios went above 25–1, major moral questions started to be raised. It will be hard to make employees believe that “we’re all in this together” when it becomes clear in public documents that company leaders have largely insulated themselves from any financial risk.</p>
<p>The larger issue of growing inequity in the Western world is a tough one to tackle; the forces of globalization that have led to stagnating wages aren’t going to disappear. But executive pay could be made fairer and more transparent. For starters, corporate America might take a page out of the European playbook. In countries like Germany, which boasts many of the world’s most competitive and productive companies, worker representatives often sit on corporate boards, providing a check against bloated pay packages.&#8221;</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2010 19:31:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Nonetheless, the story has intensified a necessary debate about how to avoid rewarding bad leadership. The financial crisis revealed that top bankers were fabulously remunerated for doing what turned out to be a lousy job. Some pocketed immense bonuses when they falsely appeared to be doing well, and then kept much of the loot when their firms collapsed. Other industries sometimes pay handsomely for failure, too (see table). It is not only business-bashing politicians who find this upsetting. “If I was running things,” growled Warren Buffett, an investor, in January, “if a bank had to go to the government for help, the CEO and his wife would forfeit all their net worth.”

That might satisfy the public’s appetite for executive blood. But it is highly unlikely to happen. “Boards of directors feel embarrassed about removing the chief executive and it is not their money, so they tend to be generous,” says Nell Minow of the Corporate Library, a corporate-governance research firm. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.economist.com/node/16693567?story_id=16693567&quot; title=&quot;BP and golden parachutes: The wages of failure &#124; The Economist&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Failed bosses are seldom fired. Instead, they are usually allowed to resign or retire with dignity, and usually with money thrown at them. This culture of sympathy will be hard to break, not least since most board members are current or former bosses and may feel that “There, but for the grace of God, go I.”&lt;/a&gt;

More importantly, ruining bad bosses is a bad idea. Who would want to take a job that came with a serious risk of financial destruction? Whoever did take it would surely manage in a way that minimised the risk of catastrophic failure. That sounds peachy until you remember that capitalism depends on risk-taking. Penalise failure too harshly and “you risk creating bureaucrats,” says Ira Kay of Pay Governance, an executive-pay consultancy.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Nonetheless, the story has intensified a necessary debate about how to avoid rewarding bad leadership. The financial crisis revealed that top bankers were fabulously remunerated for doing what turned out to be a lousy job. Some pocketed immense bonuses when they falsely appeared to be doing well, and then kept much of the loot when their firms collapsed. Other industries sometimes pay handsomely for failure, too (see table). It is not only business-bashing politicians who find this upsetting. “If I was running things,” growled Warren Buffett, an investor, in January, “if a bank had to go to the government for help, the CEO and his wife would forfeit all their net worth.”</p>
<p>That might satisfy the public’s appetite for executive blood. But it is highly unlikely to happen. “Boards of directors feel embarrassed about removing the chief executive and it is not their money, so they tend to be generous,” says Nell Minow of the Corporate Library, a corporate-governance research firm. <a href="http://www.economist.com/node/16693567?story_id=16693567" title="BP and golden parachutes: The wages of failure | The Economist" rel="nofollow">Failed bosses are seldom fired. Instead, they are usually allowed to resign or retire with dignity, and usually with money thrown at them. This culture of sympathy will be hard to break, not least since most board members are current or former bosses and may feel that “There, but for the grace of God, go I.”</a></p>
<p>More importantly, ruining bad bosses is a bad idea. Who would want to take a job that came with a serious risk of financial destruction? Whoever did take it would surely manage in a way that minimised the risk of catastrophic failure. That sounds peachy until you remember that capitalism depends on risk-taking. Penalise failure too harshly and “you risk creating bureaucrats,” says Ira Kay of Pay Governance, an executive-pay consultancy.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Tristan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tristan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Aug 2010 05:08:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m on vacation - do you think I&#039;m going to debate this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m on vacation &#8211; do you think I&#8217;m going to debate this?</p>
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		<title>By: .</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Aug 2010 15:48:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.economist.com/debate/debates/overview/180&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Regulating pay&lt;/a&gt;

This house believes that bosses&#039; pay is none of the government&#039;s business.

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Mark Calabria  
Director of Financial Regulation Studies, Cato Institute

Eliminating government guarantees should be the preferred approach, rather than creating intrusive regulatory schemes that seek to control moral hazard, especially when those regulatory schemes have at best a mixed record, if not one of outright failure.

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Wayne Guay  
Yageo Professor of Accounting, Wharton School, University of Pennsylvania

Disclosures about pay, and more importantly executive incentive structures, are of great interest in understanding how a firm is governed, and lack of transparency in this regard undermines the public&#039;s confidence in the integrity of corporate America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.economist.com/debate/debates/overview/180" rel="nofollow">Regulating pay</a></p>
<p>This house believes that bosses&#8217; pay is none of the government&#8217;s business.</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>Mark Calabria<br />
Director of Financial Regulation Studies, Cato Institute</p>
<p>Eliminating government guarantees should be the preferred approach, rather than creating intrusive regulatory schemes that seek to control moral hazard, especially when those regulatory schemes have at best a mixed record, if not one of outright failure.</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>Wayne Guay<br />
Yageo Professor of Accounting, Wharton School, University of Pennsylvania</p>
<p>Disclosures about pay, and more importantly executive incentive structures, are of great interest in understanding how a firm is governed, and lack of transparency in this regard undermines the public&#8217;s confidence in the integrity of corporate America.</p>
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		<title>By: a sibilant intake of breath &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Landlord&#8217;s Game</title>
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		<dc:creator>a sibilant intake of breath &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Landlord&#8217;s Game</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 16:13:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I wrote previously on executive pay and income [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2007/01/25/executive-pay/#comment-8113</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2007 10:05:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Various things I do may have some indirect effect on others, but that doesn&#039;t violate the harm principle. Two men walking hand in hand down Cornmarket St may upset homophobes, but that is not a relevant or legitimate harm (if harm at all). The fact company directors and footballers &#039;earn&#039; obscene salaries may upset those who compare themselves to such figures, but that&#039;s irrelevant. They shouldn&#039;t be doing so - that&#039;s the kind of attitude that earns egalitarianism the &#039;politics of envy&#039; tag...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Various things I do may have some indirect effect on others, but that doesn&#8217;t violate the harm principle. Two men walking hand in hand down Cornmarket St may upset homophobes, but that is not a relevant or legitimate harm (if harm at all). The fact company directors and footballers &#8216;earn&#8217; obscene salaries may upset those who compare themselves to such figures, but that&#8217;s irrelevant. They shouldn&#8217;t be doing so &#8211; that&#8217;s the kind of attitude that earns egalitarianism the &#8216;politics of envy&#8217; tag&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Milan</title>
		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2007/01/25/executive-pay/#comment-8112</link>
		<dc:creator>Milan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2007 06:38:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;inequality is itself a moral problem because the millian sphere, in which you can do anything you want as long as you don’t hurt others, is a lie - because the things that you do that don’t seem to affect others, actually do.&lt;/em&gt;

Isn&#039;t this self-contradictory? When you say that the reality of harm to others makes inequality a violation of the harm principle, you are arguing that it is problematic in its consequences, not inherently. The project, then, is the standard economic one of internalizing third party effects.

&lt;em&gt;Utility isn’t the be all and end all of morality, but it also isn’t something to be ignored.&lt;/em&gt;

On the utility issue, I think it is entirely possible for people to have preferences that should not be satisfied, no matter how happy it would make them. How you formulate that, exactly, is tricky.

The protection of the unpopular may well be a democratic virtue, if not a necessity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>inequality is itself a moral problem because the millian sphere, in which you can do anything you want as long as you don’t hurt others, is a lie &#8211; because the things that you do that don’t seem to affect others, actually do.</em></p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t this self-contradictory? When you say that the reality of harm to others makes inequality a violation of the harm principle, you are arguing that it is problematic in its consequences, not inherently. The project, then, is the standard economic one of internalizing third party effects.</p>
<p><em>Utility isn’t the be all and end all of morality, but it also isn’t something to be ignored.</em></p>
<p>On the utility issue, I think it is entirely possible for people to have preferences that should not be satisfied, no matter how happy it would make them. How you formulate that, exactly, is tricky.</p>
<p>The protection of the unpopular may well be a democratic virtue, if not a necessity.</p>
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		<title>By: Tristan Laing</title>
		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2007/01/25/executive-pay/#comment-8107</link>
		<dc:creator>Tristan Laing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2007 04:30:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Utility isn&#039;t the be all and end all of morality, but it also isn&#039;t something to be ignored.</description>
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