Comments on: Intelligence, effort, and success http://www.sindark.com/2007/02/13/intelligence-effort-and-success/ Temporarily Torontonian Sun, 12 Feb 2012 08:01:40 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Milan http://www.sindark.com/2007/02/13/intelligence-effort-and-success/#comment-10143 Milan Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:48:07 +0000 http://www.sindark.com/2007/02/13/intelligence-effort-and-success/#comment-10143 This entry was linked <a href="http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2007/02/let_us_not_praise_famous_men_1.html" rel="nofollow">on the New York Magazine website</a>. This entry was linked on the New York Magazine website.

]]> By: R.K. http://www.sindark.com/2007/02/13/intelligence-effort-and-success/#comment-9975 R.K. Mon, 19 Feb 2007 22:33:36 +0000 http://www.sindark.com/2007/02/13/intelligence-effort-and-success/#comment-9975 <a href="http://www.phdcomics.com/comics/archive/phd020507s.gif" rel="nofollow">The tutorial system, in comic form.</a> The tutorial system, in comic form.

]]> By: Alena Prazak http://www.sindark.com/2007/02/13/intelligence-effort-and-success/#comment-9665 Alena Prazak Thu, 15 Feb 2007 05:09:50 +0000 http://www.sindark.com/2007/02/13/intelligence-effort-and-success/#comment-9665 Having worked with and observed the academic journeys of the so called "gifted" students in Vancouver, I can agree that that they are frequently unmotivated, self-centered and generally not liked by their teachers. In an academic environment where cooperative work and group interaction are valued, these students do not stand out at all. Some of the musically gifted students or scientifically oriented ones, can achieve interesting and admirable results, but it is not the norm. In fact, the top graduating students are very rarely from the gifted group. Hard work and determination and especially strong people skills will help to succeed in school. In post secondary education, the situation can be different, but motivation and going along with the system is still essential. It is unfortunate that we lose so many of the bright minds, but neither the system nor the individuals with extreme intelligence have enough interest in making it a win-win situation for both sides. Having worked with and observed the academic journeys of the so called “gifted” students in Vancouver, I can agree that that they are frequently unmotivated, self-centered and generally not liked by their teachers. In an academic environment where cooperative work and group interaction are valued, these students do not stand out at all. Some of the musically gifted students or scientifically oriented ones, can achieve interesting and admirable results, but it is not the norm. In fact, the top graduating students are very rarely from the gifted group. Hard work and determination and especially strong people skills will help to succeed in school. In post secondary education, the situation can be different, but motivation and going along with the system is still essential. It is unfortunate that we lose so many of the bright minds, but neither the system nor the individuals with extreme intelligence have enough interest in making it a win-win situation for both sides.

]]> By: Jirka http://www.sindark.com/2007/02/13/intelligence-effort-and-success/#comment-9651 Jirka Wed, 14 Feb 2007 22:11:16 +0000 http://www.sindark.com/2007/02/13/intelligence-effort-and-success/#comment-9651 It is quite logical. The more intelligence you have the more likely you are to spend hours contemplating about how to complete a task at hand before embarking, if ever, on the quest of making it happen itself. Someone with less of it will simply start chucking away and either get stuck or learn along the way. But as the saying goes "Hrdinu jsou plny hrbitovy [The mortuaries are full of heroes]" one can conclude, the chances are that less intelligent people will fail at their tasks more likely than intelligent ones, presumably by ending up in a grave. I do not know about you but I would rather skip a class than end up with a pen jammed in my eyeball 'cause I cannot handle it properly.. Offsets rule. It is quite logical. The more intelligence you have the more likely you are to spend hours contemplating about how to complete a task at hand before embarking, if ever, on the quest of making it happen itself. Someone with less of it will simply start chucking away and either get stuck or learn along the way. But as the saying goes “Hrdinu jsou plny hrbitovy [The mortuaries are full of heroes]” one can conclude, the chances are that less intelligent people will fail at their tasks more likely than intelligent ones, presumably by ending up in a grave.

I do not know about you but I would rather skip a class than end up with a pen jammed in my eyeball ’cause I cannot handle it properly.. Offsets rule.

]]> By: Anon @ Wadh http://www.sindark.com/2007/02/13/intelligence-effort-and-success/#comment-9626 Anon @ Wadh Wed, 14 Feb 2007 13:49:47 +0000 http://www.sindark.com/2007/02/13/intelligence-effort-and-success/#comment-9626 That infidelity site is obviously a joke. I cannot decide if it is clever or not. That infidelity site is obviously a joke. I cannot decide if it is clever or not.

]]> By: R.K. http://www.sindark.com/2007/02/13/intelligence-effort-and-success/#comment-9515 R.K. Wed, 14 Feb 2007 03:59:05 +0000 http://www.sindark.com/2007/02/13/intelligence-effort-and-success/#comment-9515 Also, <a href="http://www.sindark.com/2007/02/07/alternative-thesis-flowchart/" rel="nofollow">your cycle</a> basically seems designed to get no real work done. Also, your cycle basically seems designed to get no real work done.

]]> By: R.K. http://www.sindark.com/2007/02/13/intelligence-effort-and-success/#comment-9514 R.K. Wed, 14 Feb 2007 03:51:13 +0000 http://www.sindark.com/2007/02/13/intelligence-effort-and-success/#comment-9514 <em>I am smart, the kids’ reasoning goes; I don’t need to put out effort. Expending effort becomes stigmatized—it’s public proof that you can’t cut it on your natural gifts.</em> Thankfully, a few Oxford tutorials should pretty quickly prove that you are not as inherently intelligent or capable as you thought. A virtue of the system. I am smart, the kids’ reasoning goes; I don’t need to put out effort. Expending effort becomes stigmatized—it’s public proof that you can’t cut it on your natural gifts.

Thankfully, a few Oxford tutorials should pretty quickly prove that you are not as inherently intelligent or capable as you thought. A virtue of the system.

]]> By: Tom http://www.sindark.com/2007/02/13/intelligence-effort-and-success/#comment-9526 Tom Wed, 14 Feb 2007 01:33:58 +0000 http://www.sindark.com/2007/02/13/intelligence-effort-and-success/#comment-9526 Perhaps the logical progression from carbon offsets: <a href="http://www.cheatneutral.com/" rel="nofollow">Offsets for infidelity in relationships</a> Are these the new indulgences? I am going to have to say yes. Perhaps the logical progression from carbon offsets:

Offsets for infidelity in relationships

Are these the new indulgences? I am going to have to say yes.

]]> By: Milan http://www.sindark.com/2007/02/13/intelligence-effort-and-success/#comment-9523 Milan Wed, 14 Feb 2007 00:11:03 +0000 http://www.sindark.com/2007/02/13/intelligence-effort-and-success/#comment-9523 The cycle does have that effect sometimes, though it was certainly not designed to do so. A good (though somewhat expensive) counter is my perpetual coffeeshop moving cycle, where I read a chapter or two in each, then move on. Mixing a few libraries in (Codrington, Wadham, Upper Camera) keeps the price lower, and increases the variety. The cycle does have that effect sometimes, though it was certainly not designed to do so.

A good (though somewhat expensive) counter is my perpetual coffeeshop moving cycle, where I read a chapter or two in each, then move on. Mixing a few libraries in (Codrington, Wadham, Upper Camera) keeps the price lower, and increases the variety.

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