Comments on: Fishing and restraint http://www.sindark.com/2008/07/16/fishing-and-restraint/ dispatches from Canada's capital Mon, 01 Dec 2008 21:18:58 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.5 By: ICCAAT derided, tuna stocks denuded » a sibilant intake of breath http://www.sindark.com/2008/07/16/fishing-and-restraint/#comment-52864 ICCAAT derided, tuna stocks denuded » a sibilant intake of breath Tue, 14 Oct 2008 16:02:31 +0000 http://www.sindark.com/?p=2951#comment-52864 [...] Fishing and restraint [...] [...] Fishing and restraint [...]

]]> By: . http://www.sindark.com/2008/07/16/fishing-and-restraint/#comment-46765 . Tue, 22 Jul 2008 20:31:40 +0000 http://www.sindark.com/?p=2951#comment-46765 After describing the town and its denizens, the author explains how Gloucester ran out of fish, especially Atlantic cod. The decline of this once-abundant species was partly caused by the success of the schooner-based fishery, which, <a href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v453/n7199/full/4531180a.html" rel="nofollow">even though it relied on wind power, harvested enough to reduce the stock</a>. Bottom trawlers dealt the coup de grâce. After describing the town and its denizens, the author explains how Gloucester ran out of fish, especially Atlantic cod. The decline of this once-abundant species was partly caused by the success of the schooner-based fishery, which, even though it relied on wind power, harvested enough to reduce the stock. Bottom trawlers dealt the coup de grâce.

]]> By: Anon http://www.sindark.com/2008/07/16/fishing-and-restraint/#comment-46434 Anon Thu, 17 Jul 2008 15:37:09 +0000 http://www.sindark.com/?p=2951#comment-46434 <em>I’m doubtful about how well banning things works, particularly when those things traditionally arrive on boats (ie. fish are easy to smuggle).</em> Make it a crime to sell any species of fish that cannot be caught in Canadian waters. That would do a lot to deter smuggling. I’m doubtful about how well banning things works, particularly when those things traditionally arrive on boats (ie. fish are easy to smuggle).

Make it a crime to sell any species of fish that cannot be caught in Canadian waters. That would do a lot to deter smuggling.

]]> By: Anon http://www.sindark.com/2008/07/16/fishing-and-restraint/#comment-46433 Anon Thu, 17 Jul 2008 15:35:35 +0000 http://www.sindark.com/?p=2951#comment-46433 <em>With #3 in place, why do you need #2?</em> Restricting gear is necessary, since the main problem of fishing is technological. Once you cross the threshold where you are taking more than the ecosystem can provide, more capital and more technology just mean faster ecological destruction and more immediate unprofitability. With #3 in place, why do you need #2?

Restricting gear is necessary, since the main problem of fishing is technological. Once you cross the threshold where you are taking more than the ecosystem can provide, more capital and more technology just mean faster ecological destruction and more immediate unprofitability.

]]> By: Milan http://www.sindark.com/2008/07/16/fishing-and-restraint/#comment-46424 Milan Thu, 17 Jul 2008 13:17:45 +0000 http://www.sindark.com/?p=2951#comment-46424 Modern safety equipment could make things a lot safer. This could include weather reports, ship-to-ship and ship-to-shore radios, transponders for the mutual location of ships, search and rescue teams, etc. Crossing the Atlantic for cod may have been worthwhile at some point, but Atlantic fisheries are now badly depleted. Would people sail from Canada to the west coast of Africa / Antarctica, etc? Modern safety equipment could make things a lot safer. This could include weather reports, ship-to-ship and ship-to-shore radios, transponders for the mutual location of ships, search and rescue teams, etc.

Crossing the Atlantic for cod may have been worthwhile at some point, but Atlantic fisheries are now badly depleted. Would people sail from Canada to the west coast of Africa / Antarctica, etc?

]]> By: Rob http://www.sindark.com/2008/07/16/fishing-and-restraint/#comment-46414 Rob Thu, 17 Jul 2008 08:50:48 +0000 http://www.sindark.com/?p=2951#comment-46414 In-shore fishing makes collisions more likely, because you have a greater density of boats in a smaller area. More than that, in-shore fishing with sail boats is not particularly safe: on one stormy night sometime in the late eighteenth century, the village along the coast from the Scots fishing port my mum grew up in lost about a third of its adult male population. Also, sailing doesn't restrict you to in-shore fishing: fisherman out of Bristol were supposedly fishing the Grand Banks of Newfoundland in the fifteenth century, and presumably pickling their catch. What would do it would be the size of boats presumably. In-shore fishing makes collisions more likely, because you have a greater density of boats in a smaller area. More than that, in-shore fishing with sail boats is not particularly safe: on one stormy night sometime in the late eighteenth century, the village along the coast from the Scots fishing port my mum grew up in lost about a third of its adult male population. Also, sailing doesn’t restrict you to in-shore fishing: fisherman out of Bristol were supposedly fishing the Grand Banks of Newfoundland in the fifteenth century, and presumably pickling their catch. What would do it would be the size of boats presumably.

]]> By: . http://www.sindark.com/2008/07/16/fishing-and-restraint/#comment-46404 . Thu, 17 Jul 2008 04:45:36 +0000 http://www.sindark.com/?p=2951#comment-46404 <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/shiftingbaselines/2008/07/overfishing_rising_fuel_costs.php" title="Overfishing, Rising Fuel Costs, and Subsidies" rel="nofollow">Overfishing, Rising Fuel Costs, and Subsidies</a> Category: New Research Posted on: July 16, 2008 7:56 AM, by Jennifer L. Jacquet Overfishing, Rising Fuel Costs, and Subsidies

Category: New Research
Posted on: July 16, 2008 7:56 AM, by Jennifer L. Jacquet

]]> By: Milan http://www.sindark.com/2008/07/16/fishing-and-restraint/#comment-46392 Milan Thu, 17 Jul 2008 01:56:04 +0000 http://www.sindark.com/?p=2951#comment-46392 I bet the new ships would also employ a lot more people, in more pleasant jobs. The same would be true of the shipyards that would need to build the vessels. I bet the new ships would also employ a lot more people, in more pleasant jobs. The same would be true of the shipyards that would need to build the vessels.

]]> By: Milan http://www.sindark.com/2008/07/16/fishing-and-restraint/#comment-46391 Milan Thu, 17 Jul 2008 01:53:07 +0000 http://www.sindark.com/?p=2951#comment-46391 <em>2 sounds like a recipe for disaster involving high risks for those working on the fishing boats and maybe for others at sea if they get lost & ram into them.</em> I have my doubts about this. Were sailing ships frequently ramming one another? It is also worth remembering that this fishing would mostly be happening close to shore - no refrigeration, etc. 2 sounds like a recipe for disaster involving high risks for those working on the fishing boats and maybe for others at sea if they get lost & ram into them.

I have my doubts about this. Were sailing ships frequently ramming one another? It is also worth remembering that this fishing would mostly be happening close to shore - no refrigeration, etc.

]]> By: Sarah http://www.sindark.com/2008/07/16/fishing-and-restraint/#comment-46388 Sarah Thu, 17 Jul 2008 01:18:03 +0000 http://www.sindark.com/?p=2951#comment-46388 2 sounds like a recipe for disaster involving high risks for those working on the fishing boats and maybe for others at sea if they get lost & ram into them. 1 & 3 make more sense, but I'm doubtful about how well banning things works, particularly when those things traditionally arrive on boats (ie. fish are easy to smuggle). 2 sounds like a recipe for disaster involving high risks for those working on the fishing boats and maybe for others at sea if they get lost & ram into them.
1 & 3 make more sense, but I’m doubtful about how well banning things works, particularly when those things traditionally arrive on boats (ie. fish are easy to smuggle).

]]> By: Litty http://www.sindark.com/2008/07/16/fishing-and-restraint/#comment-46378 Litty Wed, 16 Jul 2008 19:19:21 +0000 http://www.sindark.com/?p=2951#comment-46378 With #3 in place, why do you need #2? With #3 in place, why do you need #2?

]]> By: Litty http://www.sindark.com/2008/07/16/fishing-and-restraint/#comment-46377 Litty Wed, 16 Jul 2008 19:16:25 +0000 http://www.sindark.com/?p=2951#comment-46377 That picture is pretty psychadelic. That picture is pretty psychadelic.

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