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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 18:52:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://idle.slashdot.org/story/09/09/08/1440256/Scouts-No-Longer-Allowed-To-Have-Knives-On-Camping-Trips&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Scouts in the UK are no longer allowed to bring penknives on camping trips because they have been deemed too dangerous&lt;/a&gt;. Traditionally scouts have learned knife safety skills, using them to cut firewood or make tools. Dave Budd, a knife-maker who runs courses training Scouts about the safe use of blades wrote, &quot;Sadly, there is now confusion about when a Scout is allowed to carry a knife. The series of high-profile fatal stabbings [has] highlighted a growing knife culture in the UK. I think it is safest to assume that knives of any sort should not be carried by anybody to a Scout meeting or camp, unless there is likely to be a specific need for one. In that case, they should be kept by the Scout leaders and handed out as required.&quot; There is no doubt that soon scouts will get rid of their tents for large sound-proof lucite containers, which will be able to protect the children from the horrors of campfire embers, bug bites and foul language.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://idle.slashdot.org/story/09/09/08/1440256/Scouts-No-Longer-Allowed-To-Have-Knives-On-Camping-Trips" rel="nofollow">Scouts in the UK are no longer allowed to bring penknives on camping trips because they have been deemed too dangerous</a>. Traditionally scouts have learned knife safety skills, using them to cut firewood or make tools. Dave Budd, a knife-maker who runs courses training Scouts about the safe use of blades wrote, &#8220;Sadly, there is now confusion about when a Scout is allowed to carry a knife. The series of high-profile fatal stabbings [has] highlighted a growing knife culture in the UK. I think it is safest to assume that knives of any sort should not be carried by anybody to a Scout meeting or camp, unless there is likely to be a specific need for one. In that case, they should be kept by the Scout leaders and handed out as required.&#8221; There is no doubt that soon scouts will get rid of their tents for large sound-proof lucite containers, which will be able to protect the children from the horrors of campfire embers, bug bites and foul language.</p>
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		<title>By: .</title>
		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2008/07/20/knives-and-britain/#comment-70040</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 18:01:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.economist.com/science/tm/displayStory.cfm?story_id=13135660&amp;source=hptextfeature&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The blunt truth&lt;/a&gt;

Feb 18th 2009
From Economist.com
Most knives could be much safer yet still do their job

COULD household knives be made less dangerous without being made less useful? In countries such as Britain, where the latest figures suggest that 30% of murders are committed with knives or other sharp instruments, many of which have come out of a kitchen drawer, that is a pertinent question. It is one that Sarah Hainsworth, a forensic-engineering specialist at the University of Leicester, asked herself.

The answer that she and her colleagues at Britain’s Forensic Pathology Unit have now come up with is “Yes”. Using a pig’s carcass, which is similar in some ways to a human’s, Dr Hainsworth and her team studied the wounds made by different blades falling from a height that was adjusted, depending on the weight of the knife, to result in the same force. The team looked at four of a knife’s properties—the radius of the tip, the shape of the tip, the thickness of the blade and the sharpness of the edge—in order to determine what was doing the most damage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.economist.com/science/tm/displayStory.cfm?story_id=13135660&amp;source=hptextfeature" rel="nofollow">The blunt truth</a></p>
<p>Feb 18th 2009<br />
From Economist.com<br />
Most knives could be much safer yet still do their job</p>
<p>COULD household knives be made less dangerous without being made less useful? In countries such as Britain, where the latest figures suggest that 30% of murders are committed with knives or other sharp instruments, many of which have come out of a kitchen drawer, that is a pertinent question. It is one that Sarah Hainsworth, a forensic-engineering specialist at the University of Leicester, asked herself.</p>
<p>The answer that she and her colleagues at Britain’s Forensic Pathology Unit have now come up with is “Yes”. Using a pig’s carcass, which is similar in some ways to a human’s, Dr Hainsworth and her team studied the wounds made by different blades falling from a height that was adjusted, depending on the weight of the knife, to result in the same force. The team looked at four of a knife’s properties—the radius of the tip, the shape of the tip, the thickness of the blade and the sharpness of the edge—in order to determine what was doing the most damage.</p>
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		<title>By: .</title>
		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2008/07/20/knives-and-britain/#comment-63317</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 01:15:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/09/01/04/2042242.shtml&quot; title=&quot;Slashdot &#124; UK Police To Step Up Hacking of Home PCs&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;UK Police To Step Up Hacking of Home PCs&lt;/a&gt;

&quot;The Times of London reports that the United Kingdom&#039;s Home office has quietly adopted a new plan to allow police across Britain routinely to hack into people&#039;s personal computers without a warrant. The move, which follows a decision by the European Union&#039;s council of ministers in Brussels, has angered civil liberties groups and opposition MPs. They described it as a sinister extension of the surveillance state that drives &#039;a coach and horses&#039; through privacy laws.&quot;</description>
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<p>&#8220;The Times of London reports that the United Kingdom&#8217;s Home office has quietly adopted a new plan to allow police across Britain routinely to hack into people&#8217;s personal computers without a warrant. The move, which follows a decision by the European Union&#8217;s council of ministers in Brussels, has angered civil liberties groups and opposition MPs. They described it as a sinister extension of the surveillance state that drives &#8216;a coach and horses&#8217; through privacy laws.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Milan</title>
		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2008/07/20/knives-and-britain/#comment-60089</link>
		<dc:creator>Milan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 16:40:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joking aside, I do recognize that it was unfair to say that &#039;Britain&#039; wanted to do this.

Supporters listed in the article include Ian Blair, chief of the Metropolitan Police, TV chef Anthony Worrall Thompson, Mothers Against Knives , and some academics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joking aside, I do recognize that it was unfair to say that &#8216;Britain&#8217; wanted to do this.</p>
<p>Supporters listed in the article include Ian Blair, chief of the Metropolitan Police, TV chef Anthony Worrall Thompson, Mothers Against Knives , and some academics.</p>
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		<title>By: Milan</title>
		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2008/07/20/knives-and-britain/#comment-60087</link>
		<dc:creator>Milan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 16:31:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know what else ought to be phased out? Sharp edges. Rain. Bicycles.

If we just picture ourselves as infants, with the state as our mother, we will end up living much safer lives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know what else ought to be phased out? Sharp edges. Rain. Bicycles.</p>
<p>If we just picture ourselves as infants, with the state as our mother, we will end up living much safer lives.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2008/07/20/knives-and-britain/#comment-60061</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 13:37:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is ridiculous, gasoline doesn&#039;t kill people, people kill people. With Knives! Do you want your children thinking it&#039;s ok to carry murder weapons around? That it&#039;s just &quot;up to them&quot; to use knives responsibly? What kind of world would that be, where we alot people all that freedom. Wouldn&#039;t it be better to just eliminate the unpleasant and maximize good consequences?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is ridiculous, gasoline doesn&#8217;t kill people, people kill people. With Knives! Do you want your children thinking it&#8217;s ok to carry murder weapons around? That it&#8217;s just &#8220;up to them&#8221; to use knives responsibly? What kind of world would that be, where we alot people all that freedom. Wouldn&#8217;t it be better to just eliminate the unpleasant and maximize good consequences?</p>
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		<title>By: Milan</title>
		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2008/07/20/knives-and-britain/#comment-59937</link>
		<dc:creator>Milan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 01:39:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The article features this quotation:

&quot;But as it stands, you can go into a supermarket and buy for £10 something that&#039;s a murder weapon - no questions asked.&quot;

Why, for just a dollar or so, you can go to a petrol station and buy a litre of highly flammable fluid! Baseball and cricket bats require no background checks! Bottles which can be broken and used to stab people are available in high school cafeterias!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The article features this quotation:</p>
<p>&#8220;But as it stands, you can go into a supermarket and buy for £10 something that&#8217;s a murder weapon &#8211; no questions asked.&#8221;</p>
<p>Why, for just a dollar or so, you can go to a petrol station and buy a litre of highly flammable fluid! Baseball and cricket bats require no background checks! Bottles which can be broken and used to stab people are available in high school cafeterias!</p>
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		<title>By: Milan</title>
		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2008/07/20/knives-and-britain/#comment-59933</link>
		<dc:creator>Milan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 01:28:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fact that they are even discussing it strikes me as childish.

&quot;If you are the sort of person who flies into insane rages and threatens people with knives, consider replacing your sharp-tipped ones with dull ones.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact that they are even discussing it strikes me as childish.</p>
<p>&#8220;If you are the sort of person who flies into insane rages and threatens people with knives, consider replacing your sharp-tipped ones with dull ones.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2008/07/20/knives-and-britain/#comment-59917</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 23:43:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saying &quot;the UK wants to take away chef&#039;s knives&quot; is simply inaccurate hyperbole. A few individuals are cited as holding this view, which the BBC article plainly states is a minority opinion with clear drawbacks and which they do not suggest is being considered as an issue of government policy. If any perspective discussed anywhere in the Canadian media were described as &quot;Now Canada wants to...&quot; then I suspect you would object.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saying &#8220;the UK wants to take away chef&#8217;s knives&#8221; is simply inaccurate hyperbole. A few individuals are cited as holding this view, which the BBC article plainly states is a minority opinion with clear drawbacks and which they do not suggest is being considered as an issue of government policy. If any perspective discussed anywhere in the Canadian media were described as &#8220;Now Canada wants to&#8230;&#8221; then I suspect you would object.</p>
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		<title>By: Milan</title>
		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2008/07/20/knives-and-britain/#comment-59901</link>
		<dc:creator>Milan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 22:29:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now the UK wants to &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/7508404.stm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;take away chefs&#039; knives&lt;/a&gt;. It is becoming easier for me to understand the vitriolic opposition people in the US have to being forced to surrender &#039;weapons.&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now the UK wants to <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/7508404.stm" rel="nofollow">take away chefs&#8217; knives</a>. It is becoming easier for me to understand the vitriolic opposition people in the US have to being forced to surrender &#8216;weapons.&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2008/07/20/knives-and-britain/#comment-46708</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 01:22:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt; Isn’t Cameron asking for precisely the abandonment of discretion? “Carry a knife, go to jail.” &lt;/i&gt;

I don&#039;t think that&#039;s what Cameron is calling for and even if he were it likely wouldn&#039;t happen because procedures that the police &amp; prosecutors dislike or consider too minor, time-consuming and/or expensive tend not to be fully implemented (eg. the California Three Strikes provisions, the prohibition on drink driving). I am particularly sceptical about enforcing a prohibition on knife carrying because they are unlikely to be noticed by police unless either a) the knife is used to attack or threaten someone, in which case more serious charges than possessing a knife could be made, or b) the police condict a search of the person &amp; their belongings, which is illegal on non-terrorism grounds unless they have cause to believe you have commited a crime. Such searches are also very unpopular with the individuals &amp; communities concerned, and if we were all liable to police searches for ill-founded suspicions of having a knife then there would be public outcry and a spate of legal challenges.

However, these problems are unlikely to apply (at least on a wide scale) because the BBC article on Cameron&#039;s statement indicates that his intent is selective, saying:
&#039;He urged police to exercise &quot;common sense&quot; by not prosecuting people carrying penknives for angling, or for bringing home kitchen or garden equipment from the shops. &quot;This is about kitchen knives stuffed down the front of tracksuits,&quot; he told The Sun.&#039;
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/7492758.stm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> Isn’t Cameron asking for precisely the abandonment of discretion? “Carry a knife, go to jail.” </i></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s what Cameron is calling for and even if he were it likely wouldn&#8217;t happen because procedures that the police &amp; prosecutors dislike or consider too minor, time-consuming and/or expensive tend not to be fully implemented (eg. the California Three Strikes provisions, the prohibition on drink driving). I am particularly sceptical about enforcing a prohibition on knife carrying because they are unlikely to be noticed by police unless either a) the knife is used to attack or threaten someone, in which case more serious charges than possessing a knife could be made, or b) the police condict a search of the person &amp; their belongings, which is illegal on non-terrorism grounds unless they have cause to believe you have commited a crime. Such searches are also very unpopular with the individuals &amp; communities concerned, and if we were all liable to police searches for ill-founded suspicions of having a knife then there would be public outcry and a spate of legal challenges.</p>
<p>However, these problems are unlikely to apply (at least on a wide scale) because the BBC article on Cameron&#8217;s statement indicates that his intent is selective, saying:<br />
&#8216;He urged police to exercise &#8220;common sense&#8221; by not prosecuting people carrying penknives for angling, or for bringing home kitchen or garden equipment from the shops. &#8220;This is about kitchen knives stuffed down the front of tracksuits,&#8221; he told The Sun.&#8217;<br />
<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/7492758.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/7492758.stm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Milan</title>
		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2008/07/20/knives-and-britain/#comment-46702</link>
		<dc:creator>Milan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 23:16:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t Cameron asking for precisely the abandonment of discretion? &quot;Carry a knife, go to jail.&quot;

That hardly seems in keeping with a tradition of good sense policing, nor with the basic rights that comprise the core of western legal systems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t Cameron asking for precisely the abandonment of discretion? &#8220;Carry a knife, go to jail.&#8221;</p>
<p>That hardly seems in keeping with a tradition of good sense policing, nor with the basic rights that comprise the core of western legal systems.</p>
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