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		<title>By: Emily</title>
		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2008/07/23/wall-e/#comment-46927</link>
		<dc:creator>Emily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 17:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fern Gully jumps to mind, and The Secret of Nimh touches on the disturbance of the environment by man. There were a host of environmentalist children's shows during the 90's, like Captain Planet, and The Smoggies. The Raccoons was also about preserving the environment. I recall a few episodes of He-man where he defeats Skeletor or some other foe when they are trying to pollute.

I haven't watched enough contemporary children's shows to say whether there has been an increase or decline in environmental awareness media for kids.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fern Gully jumps to mind, and The Secret of Nimh touches on the disturbance of the environment by man. There were a host of environmentalist children&#8217;s shows during the 90&#8217;s, like Captain Planet, and The Smoggies. The Raccoons was also about preserving the environment. I recall a few episodes of He-man where he defeats Skeletor or some other foe when they are trying to pollute.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t watched enough contemporary children&#8217;s shows to say whether there has been an increase or decline in environmental awareness media for kids.</p>
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		<title>By: ToryC</title>
		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2008/07/23/wall-e/#comment-46919</link>
		<dc:creator>ToryC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 17:05:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"The danger is less that robots will mutiny, and much more that we will be willing to make exceptional ecological sacrifices in order to keep our favourite machines running."

Who are you to say that it is wrong to prefer the immediate comforts of a pleasing life to the abstract appreciation of some far-off wilderness (never to be seen, if conservationists have their way)?

There may be cases where people make the wrong choice out of wilderness, but there are plenty of situations where people choose progress over wilderness with their eyes wide open.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The danger is less that robots will mutiny, and much more that we will be willing to make exceptional ecological sacrifices in order to keep our favourite machines running.&#8221;</p>
<p>Who are you to say that it is wrong to prefer the immediate comforts of a pleasing life to the abstract appreciation of some far-off wilderness (never to be seen, if conservationists have their way)?</p>
<p>There may be cases where people make the wrong choice out of wilderness, but there are plenty of situations where people choose progress over wilderness with their eyes wide open.</p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2008/07/23/wall-e/#comment-46860</link>
		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 19:26:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;It seems fairly likely that this film is destined for the cannon of ‘environmental films for children,’ alongside stalwarts like The Lorax.&lt;/em&gt;

What else falls into this category? I looked at &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Environmental_films" rel="nofollow"&gt;Category:Environmental films&lt;/a&gt; on Wikipedia and found the list pretty lacking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>It seems fairly likely that this film is destined for the cannon of ‘environmental films for children,’ alongside stalwarts like The Lorax.</em></p>
<p>What else falls into this category? I looked at <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Environmental_films" rel="nofollow">Category:Environmental films</a> on Wikipedia and found the list pretty lacking.</p>
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		<title>By: .</title>
		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2008/07/23/wall-e/#comment-46849</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:02:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The other half of the film (which is the year’s most heavily promoted release according to Variety, with a $50 million or so ad campaign) supposes that the human race of the future will become a flabby mass of peabrained idiots who are literally too fat to walk. Instead they zip around in flying wheelchairs surfing the Web, chatting on phone lines and stuffing their faces with food meant to be sucked down like milkshakes while unquestioningly taking orders from the master corporation that controls all aspects of their existence. I’m trying to think of a major Disney cartoon feature that was anywhere near as dark or cynical as this. I’m coming up blank. &lt;a href="http://kylesmithonline.com/?p=1319" rel="nofollow"&gt;I’m also not sure I’ve ever seen a major corporation spend so much money to issue an insult to its customers&lt;/a&gt;. Those potato-y people of the future seemed uncomfortably close to paying guests of Walt Disney World, passively absorbing entertainment in a sterile, climate-controlled, completely artificial wonderland that profits from everything they eat, see or do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The other half of the film (which is the year’s most heavily promoted release according to Variety, with a $50 million or so ad campaign) supposes that the human race of the future will become a flabby mass of peabrained idiots who are literally too fat to walk. Instead they zip around in flying wheelchairs surfing the Web, chatting on phone lines and stuffing their faces with food meant to be sucked down like milkshakes while unquestioningly taking orders from the master corporation that controls all aspects of their existence. I’m trying to think of a major Disney cartoon feature that was anywhere near as dark or cynical as this. I’m coming up blank. <a href="http://kylesmithonline.com/?p=1319" rel="nofollow">I’m also not sure I’ve ever seen a major corporation spend so much money to issue an insult to its customers</a>. Those potato-y people of the future seemed uncomfortably close to paying guests of Walt Disney World, passively absorbing entertainment in a sterile, climate-controlled, completely artificial wonderland that profits from everything they eat, see or do.</p>
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		<title>By: .</title>
		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2008/07/23/wall-e/#comment-46848</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:01:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WALL-E#Commentary" rel="nofollow"&gt;Commentary&lt;/a&gt;

The film was interpreted as tackling a topical, ecologically minded agenda. Todd McCarthy said it did so with a lightness of touch that granted the viewer the ability to accept or ignore the message. Jessica Jensen of The Huffington Post, while praising the film overall, felt it did not make enough of a point with its environmental themes. She suggested it should have had environmental advice or a website link during the end credits, adding it was "troubling" that by the end "humans return to Earth and it seems as if everything will just be hunky-dory". The film's ecological theme was criticized by conservative commentators such as CNN Headline News host Glenn Beck, and contributors for National Review Online; Shannen W. Coffin said that the film was "leftist propaganda about the evils of mankind", and Jonah Goldberg wrote that he agreed with the charges of hypocrisy and "Malthusian fear mongering" leveled at the film by others, but said that it was "fascinating" and occasionally "brilliant".

Patrick J. Ford of The American Conservative said WALL-E's conservative critics were missing lessons in the film that he felt were appealing to traditional conservatism. He argued that the mass consumerism in the film was not shown to be a product of big business, but of too close a tie between big business and big government: "The government unilaterally provided its citizens with everything they needed, and this lack of variety led to Earth’s downfall". Responding to Coffin's claim that the film points out the "evils of mankind", he argued the only evils depicted were those that resulted from "losing touch with our own humanity" and that fundamental conservative representations such as the farm, the family unit, and "wholesome" entertainment were in the end held aloft by the human characters. He concluded, "By steering conservative families away from WALL-E, these commentators are doing their readers a great disservice".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WALL-E#Commentary" rel="nofollow">Commentary</a></p>
<p>The film was interpreted as tackling a topical, ecologically minded agenda. Todd McCarthy said it did so with a lightness of touch that granted the viewer the ability to accept or ignore the message. Jessica Jensen of The Huffington Post, while praising the film overall, felt it did not make enough of a point with its environmental themes. She suggested it should have had environmental advice or a website link during the end credits, adding it was &#8220;troubling&#8221; that by the end &#8220;humans return to Earth and it seems as if everything will just be hunky-dory&#8221;. The film&#8217;s ecological theme was criticized by conservative commentators such as CNN Headline News host Glenn Beck, and contributors for National Review Online; Shannen W. Coffin said that the film was &#8220;leftist propaganda about the evils of mankind&#8221;, and Jonah Goldberg wrote that he agreed with the charges of hypocrisy and &#8220;Malthusian fear mongering&#8221; leveled at the film by others, but said that it was &#8220;fascinating&#8221; and occasionally &#8220;brilliant&#8221;.</p>
<p>Patrick J. Ford of The American Conservative said WALL-E&#8217;s conservative critics were missing lessons in the film that he felt were appealing to traditional conservatism. He argued that the mass consumerism in the film was not shown to be a product of big business, but of too close a tie between big business and big government: &#8220;The government unilaterally provided its citizens with everything they needed, and this lack of variety led to Earth’s downfall&#8221;. Responding to Coffin&#8217;s claim that the film points out the &#8220;evils of mankind&#8221;, he argued the only evils depicted were those that resulted from &#8220;losing touch with our own humanity&#8221; and that fundamental conservative representations such as the farm, the family unit, and &#8220;wholesome&#8221; entertainment were in the end held aloft by the human characters. He concluded, &#8220;By steering conservative families away from WALL-E, these commentators are doing their readers a great disservice&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Milan</title>
		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2008/07/23/wall-e/#comment-46846</link>
		<dc:creator>Milan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 16:46:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps the best thing to do is to show Wall-E to your children between one of the ordinary episodes of &lt;em&gt;&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planet_Earth_(TV_series)" rel="nofollow"&gt;Planet Earth&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt; and one of the &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planet_Earth_(TV_series)#Planet_Earth:_The_Future" rel="nofollow"&gt;we-are-wrecking-nature episodes&lt;/a&gt; on the final DVD.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps the best thing to do is to show Wall-E to your children between one of the ordinary episodes of <em><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planet_Earth_(TV_series)" rel="nofollow">Planet Earth</a></em> and one of the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planet_Earth_(TV_series)#Planet_Earth:_The_Future" rel="nofollow">we-are-wrecking-nature episodes</a> on the final DVD.</p>
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		<title>By: Milan</title>
		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2008/07/23/wall-e/#comment-46845</link>
		<dc:creator>Milan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 16:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;I mean, once we really destroy it. Like, get ‘er done, extinction-style.&lt;/em&gt;

Vulnerability may be enough for children. We can save the &lt;a href="http://www.sindark.com/wiki/index.php?title=Major_climate_change_issues#Abrupt_and_runaway_climate_change_scenarios" rel="nofollow"&gt;terrifyingly real prospect&lt;/a&gt; of human species extinction through poor ecological management for teenagers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>I mean, once we really destroy it. Like, get ‘er done, extinction-style.</em></p>
<p>Vulnerability may be enough for children. We can save the <a href="http://www.sindark.com/wiki/index.php?title=Major_climate_change_issues#Abrupt_and_runaway_climate_change_scenarios" rel="nofollow">terrifyingly real prospect</a> of human species extinction through poor ecological management for teenagers.</p>
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		<title>By: Milan</title>
		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2008/07/23/wall-e/#comment-46844</link>
		<dc:creator>Milan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 16:39:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I certainly agree that the film is imperfect. That being said, there is an important trade-off between having an ideal message and being able to effectively market your message.

Wall-E strikes a better balance than many other similar films. I wouldn't call it 'educational,' per se, but I would call it 'environmentalist.'</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I certainly agree that the film is imperfect. That being said, there is an important trade-off between having an ideal message and being able to effectively market your message.</p>
<p>Wall-E strikes a better balance than many other similar films. I wouldn&#8217;t call it &#8216;educational,&#8217; per se, but I would call it &#8216;environmentalist.&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Emily</title>
		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2008/07/23/wall-e/#comment-46843</link>
		<dc:creator>Emily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 16:37:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"how we have the power to destroy but not to recreate?" I mean, once we really destroy it. Like, get 'er done, extinction-style.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;how we have the power to destroy but not to recreate?&#8221; I mean, once we really destroy it. Like, get &#8216;er done, extinction-style.</p>
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		<title>By: Emily</title>
		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2008/07/23/wall-e/#comment-46842</link>
		<dc:creator>Emily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 16:35:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;The aim is not to represent the world as it is or could be, but to convey certain general ideas through aesthetics.&lt;/em&gt;

I understand the concept of &lt;em&gt;fiction&lt;/em&gt;, but that doesn't change the fundamental sentiments that I garnered from the film. 

That being: it doesn't matter if we wait to destroy the Earth, everyone will be fine. Just make sure that you don't forget how Earth used to be, so you can return and re-habilitate it single-handedly. 

How about teaching children.. OH, I don't know. The delicate balance of the eco-system, and how we have the power to destroy but not to recreate?

I don't doubt that it demonstrates to children about the transience of natural life under duress, but I think it would be a real stretch to call it an environmentally educational film.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>The aim is not to represent the world as it is or could be, but to convey certain general ideas through aesthetics.</em></p>
<p>I understand the concept of <em>fiction</em>, but that doesn&#8217;t change the fundamental sentiments that I garnered from the film. </p>
<p>That being: it doesn&#8217;t matter if we wait to destroy the Earth, everyone will be fine. Just make sure that you don&#8217;t forget how Earth used to be, so you can return and re-habilitate it single-handedly. </p>
<p>How about teaching children.. OH, I don&#8217;t know. The delicate balance of the eco-system, and how we have the power to destroy but not to recreate?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t doubt that it demonstrates to children about the transience of natural life under duress, but I think it would be a real stretch to call it an environmentally educational film.</p>
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		<title>By: Milan</title>
		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2008/07/23/wall-e/#comment-46837</link>
		<dc:creator>Milan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 16:18:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;How preventative measures are far more important than the cure that we would need in a situation like that.&lt;/em&gt;

Naturally, anyone seeing this film today should think: "We ought not completely wreck the planet," rather than: "Even if we do wreck the planet, we will endure as a species and eventually be able to return and rebuild."

A quasi-apocalyptic film featuring the possibility of redemption is also likely to do better at attracting and keeping an audience of children than a straightforwardly apocalyptic one wou</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>How preventative measures are far more important than the cure that we would need in a situation like that.</em></p>
<p>Naturally, anyone seeing this film today should think: &#8220;We ought not completely wreck the planet,&#8221; rather than: &#8220;Even if we do wreck the planet, we will endure as a species and eventually be able to return and rebuild.&#8221;</p>
<p>A quasi-apocalyptic film featuring the possibility of redemption is also likely to do better at attracting and keeping an audience of children than a straightforwardly apocalyptic one wou</p>
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		<title>By: Milan</title>
		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2008/07/23/wall-e/#comment-46836</link>
		<dc:creator>Milan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 16:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;The apparent death of all living things on Earth other than humans - which cannot be ‘grown’ back.&lt;/em&gt;

I agree that the film was blatantly unrealistic: in everything from the breathability of the Earth atmosphere (with few plants, there would be little oxygen) to the mechanics of spaceflight. Further, without plants to both eat and alter the atmosphere, Wall-E's cockroach companion would not have been about.

That being said, it must be taken allegorically. The aim is not to represent the world as it is or could be, but to convey certain general ideas through aesthetics.

&lt;em&gt;The fact that saving a few thousand Americans who then repopulate the Earth is blatantly xenophobic.&lt;/em&gt;

The film repeatedly implies that there are other ships out there. The Axiom is just (apparently) the only one to return at that point in time. In the future, other scattered humans may also do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>The apparent death of all living things on Earth other than humans - which cannot be ‘grown’ back.</em></p>
<p>I agree that the film was blatantly unrealistic: in everything from the breathability of the Earth atmosphere (with few plants, there would be little oxygen) to the mechanics of spaceflight. Further, without plants to both eat and alter the atmosphere, Wall-E&#8217;s cockroach companion would not have been about.</p>
<p>That being said, it must be taken allegorically. The aim is not to represent the world as it is or could be, but to convey certain general ideas through aesthetics.</p>
<p><em>The fact that saving a few thousand Americans who then repopulate the Earth is blatantly xenophobic.</em></p>
<p>The film repeatedly implies that there are other ships out there. The Axiom is just (apparently) the only one to return at that point in time. In the future, other scattered humans may also do so.</p>
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