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		<title>By: Is runaway climate change possible? Hansen&#8217;s take</title>
		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2008/10/20/is-runaway-climate-change-possible/#comment-86271</link>
		<dc:creator>Is runaway climate change possible? Hansen&#8217;s take</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 12:55:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] in 2008, I wrote about whether &#8216;runaway&#8217; climate change might be possible on Earth. At one point, Venus had liquid water on its surface. Then, the sun grew brighter and Venus warmed. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] in 2008, I wrote about whether &#8216;runaway&#8217; climate change might be possible on Earth. At one point, Venus had liquid water on its surface. Then, the sun grew brighter and Venus warmed. [...]</p>
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		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2008/10/20/is-runaway-climate-change-possible/#comment-84281</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 14:49:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://knowledge.allianz.com/en/globalissues/climate_change/climate_impacts/climate_tipping_points_study.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Climate Tipping Points of No Return&lt;/a&gt;

Climate change won’t be a smooth transition to a warmer world, warns the Tipping Points Report by Allianz and WWF. Twelve regions around the world will be especially affected by abrupt changes, among them the North Pole, the Amazon rainforest, and California.

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Sea level rises, unpredictable monsoons in India, Amazon die-back, and the desertification of Southwest North America (California and neighboring states) are the most significant climate change catastrophes we face, according to the report’s authors from the Tyndall Centre for Climate Change Research.

 

In the Southwestern U.S. the tipping point has probably already been passed. The scientists now predict that levels of aridity last seen in the 1930s Dust Bowl will have become the norm by mid-century.

 

However, in some cases the report offers reassurance. Permafrost melt in Eastern Siberia could release greenhouse gases CO2 and methane. But it would require an extreme 9 degrees Celsius surface warming for the system to tip. Claims that the release of greenhouse gases trapped in the permafrost will lead to runaway global warming are “grossly exaggerated,” the authors conclude.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://knowledge.allianz.com/en/globalissues/climate_change/climate_impacts/climate_tipping_points_study.html" rel="nofollow">Climate Tipping Points of No Return</a></p>
<p>Climate change won’t be a smooth transition to a warmer world, warns the Tipping Points Report by Allianz and WWF. Twelve regions around the world will be especially affected by abrupt changes, among them the North Pole, the Amazon rainforest, and California.</p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<p>Sea level rises, unpredictable monsoons in India, Amazon die-back, and the desertification of Southwest North America (California and neighboring states) are the most significant climate change catastrophes we face, according to the report’s authors from the Tyndall Centre for Climate Change Research.</p>
<p>In the Southwestern U.S. the tipping point has probably already been passed. The scientists now predict that levels of aridity last seen in the 1930s Dust Bowl will have become the norm by mid-century.</p>
<p>However, in some cases the report offers reassurance. Permafrost melt in Eastern Siberia could release greenhouse gases CO2 and methane. But it would require an extreme 9 degrees Celsius surface warming for the system to tip. Claims that the release of greenhouse gases trapped in the permafrost will lead to runaway global warming are “grossly exaggerated,” the authors conclude.</p>
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		<title>By: .</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 18:06:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://esciencenews.com/articles/2009/06/21/ice.sheets.can.retreat.a.geologic.instant.study.prehistoric.glacier.shows&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ice sheets can retreat &#039;in a geologic instant,&#039; study of prehistoric glacier shows&lt;/a&gt;
Published: Sunday, June 21, 2009 - 12:56 in Earth &amp; Climate

Modern glaciers, such as those making up the Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets, are capable of undergoing periods of rapid shrinkage or retreat, according to new findings by paleoclimatologists at the University at Buffalo. The paper, published on June 21 in Nature Geoscience, describes fieldwork demonstrating that a prehistoric glacier in the Canadian Arctic rapidly retreated in just a few hundred years.

The proof of such rapid retreat of ice sheets provides one of the few explicit confirmations that this phenomenon occurs.

Should the same conditions recur today, which the UB scientists say is very possible, they would result in sharply rising global sea levels, which would threaten coastal populations.

&quot;A lot of glaciers in Antarctica and Greenland are characteristic of the one we studied in the Canadian Arctic,&quot; said Jason Briner, Ph.D., assistant professor of geology in the UB College of Arts and Sciences and lead author on the paper. &quot;Based on our findings, they, too, could retreat in a geologic instant.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://esciencenews.com/articles/2009/06/21/ice.sheets.can.retreat.a.geologic.instant.study.prehistoric.glacier.shows" rel="nofollow">Ice sheets can retreat &#8216;in a geologic instant,&#8217; study of prehistoric glacier shows</a><br />
Published: Sunday, June 21, 2009 &#8211; 12:56 in Earth &amp; Climate</p>
<p>Modern glaciers, such as those making up the Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets, are capable of undergoing periods of rapid shrinkage or retreat, according to new findings by paleoclimatologists at the University at Buffalo. The paper, published on June 21 in Nature Geoscience, describes fieldwork demonstrating that a prehistoric glacier in the Canadian Arctic rapidly retreated in just a few hundred years.</p>
<p>The proof of such rapid retreat of ice sheets provides one of the few explicit confirmations that this phenomenon occurs.</p>
<p>Should the same conditions recur today, which the UB scientists say is very possible, they would result in sharply rising global sea levels, which would threaten coastal populations.</p>
<p>&#8220;A lot of glaciers in Antarctica and Greenland are characteristic of the one we studied in the Canadian Arctic,&#8221; said Jason Briner, Ph.D., assistant professor of geology in the UB College of Arts and Sciences and lead author on the paper. &#8220;Based on our findings, they, too, could retreat in a geologic instant.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: .</title>
		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2008/10/20/is-runaway-climate-change-possible/#comment-58383</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 04:15:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13485170/&quot; title=&quot;Stephen Hawking warns about warming - Science- msnbc.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Stephen Hawking warns about warming&lt;/a&gt;
Celebrity cosmologist says Earth could end up as hot as Venus

Hawking said he was &quot;very worried about global warming.&quot; He said he was afraid Earth &quot;might end up like Venus, at 250 degrees centigrade [482 degrees Fahrenheit] and raining sulfuric acid.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13485170/" title="Stephen Hawking warns about warming - Science- msnbc.com" rel="nofollow">Stephen Hawking warns about warming</a><br />
Celebrity cosmologist says Earth could end up as hot as Venus</p>
<p>Hawking said he was &#8220;very worried about global warming.&#8221; He said he was afraid Earth &#8220;might end up like Venus, at 250 degrees centigrade [482 degrees Fahrenheit] and raining sulfuric acid.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Milan</title>
		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2008/10/20/is-runaway-climate-change-possible/#comment-56961</link>
		<dc:creator>Milan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 16:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It certainly seems preferable to avoid kicking off runaway change, rather than initiating runaway change that starts slowly enough for us to have a chance at stopping it later.

That being said, slow onset runaway change is clearly better than a fast onset variety. It would give us a chance to see if anyone&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sindark.com/wiki/index.php?title=Major_climate_change_issues#Geoengineering&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;geoengineering&lt;/a&gt; idea actually works.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It certainly seems preferable to avoid kicking off runaway change, rather than initiating runaway change that starts slowly enough for us to have a chance at stopping it later.</p>
<p>That being said, slow onset runaway change is clearly better than a fast onset variety. It would give us a chance to see if anyone&#8217;s <a href="http://www.sindark.com/wiki/index.php?title=Major_climate_change_issues#Geoengineering" rel="nofollow">geoengineering</a> idea actually works.</p>
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		<title>By: DMG</title>
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		<dc:creator>DMG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 20:17:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another question is how quickly a runaway scenario would play out. If it would take thousands of years, like the melting of Greenland and the WAIS, then it might be something that could be stopped using air capture or geoengineering.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another question is how quickly a runaway scenario would play out. If it would take thousands of years, like the melting of Greenland and the WAIS, then it might be something that could be stopped using air capture or geoengineering.</p>
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		<title>By: Milan</title>
		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2008/10/20/is-runaway-climate-change-possible/#comment-53424</link>
		<dc:creator>Milan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:12:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.carbonequity.info/images/seaice07.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;This chart&lt;/a&gt; is also worth pinning to one&#039;s wall, as a reminder of how much faster some things are progressing than expected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.carbonequity.info/images/seaice07.jpg" rel="nofollow">This chart</a> is also worth pinning to one&#8217;s wall, as a reminder of how much faster some things are progressing than expected.</p>
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		<title>By: Milan</title>
		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2008/10/20/is-runaway-climate-change-possible/#comment-53423</link>
		<dc:creator>Milan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:09:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On my P-T Event note, one of my co-workers has written:

&quot;Looking on the bright side?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On my P-T Event note, one of my co-workers has written:</p>
<p>&#8220;Looking on the bright side?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2008/10/20/is-runaway-climate-change-possible/#comment-53420</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:06:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting post, yay for terminological rigour &amp; consistency. Also, that sounds like a cool sort of Post It note to have - perhaps you should produce a range of similar ones and stick them onto the monitors of other people? A sort of stealth green campaign within the civil service...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting post, yay for terminological rigour &amp; consistency. Also, that sounds like a cool sort of Post It note to have &#8211; perhaps you should produce a range of similar ones and stick them onto the monitors of other people? A sort of stealth green campaign within the civil service&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Milan</title>
		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2008/10/20/is-runaway-climate-change-possible/#comment-53406</link>
		<dc:creator>Milan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 15:25:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually have a Post-It on my monitor that says &quot;Permian-Triassic Extinction Event,&quot; to remind me of the worst that can happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually have a Post-It on my monitor that says &#8220;Permian-Triassic Extinction Event,&#8221; to remind me of the worst that can happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Milan</title>
		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2008/10/20/is-runaway-climate-change-possible/#comment-53404</link>
		<dc:creator>Milan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 15:19:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neal,

It seems that there are various conceptions of just how far climate needs to run in order to qualify as &#039;runaway.&#039;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sindark.com/2008/09/29/video-explaining-runaway-climate-change/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;This video&lt;/a&gt; uses the term to describe a temperature rise consistent with the projection for business-as-usual emissions from the Hadley Centre (5.5 to 7.1 degrees by 2100).

The &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sindark.com/2007/08/29/the-great-dying/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Permian-Triassic Extinction event&lt;/a&gt; definition is intermediate. It would certainly be horrific, and almost certainly mean the end of humans. We also know it is possible on Earth, though the original may have been kicked off by volcanic activity or an extraterrestrial collision.

The Venusian example is about as extreme as you can get: permanent, massive, probably irreversible recomposition of the atmosphere. The article linked above saying runaway climate change is impossible on Earth is referring to this definition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neal,</p>
<p>It seems that there are various conceptions of just how far climate needs to run in order to qualify as &#8216;runaway.&#8217;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sindark.com/2008/09/29/video-explaining-runaway-climate-change/" rel="nofollow">This video</a> uses the term to describe a temperature rise consistent with the projection for business-as-usual emissions from the Hadley Centre (5.5 to 7.1 degrees by 2100).</p>
<p>The <a href="http://www.sindark.com/2007/08/29/the-great-dying/" rel="nofollow">Permian-Triassic Extinction event</a> definition is intermediate. It would certainly be horrific, and almost certainly mean the end of humans. We also know it is possible on Earth, though the original may have been kicked off by volcanic activity or an extraterrestrial collision.</p>
<p>The Venusian example is about as extreme as you can get: permanent, massive, probably irreversible recomposition of the atmosphere. The article linked above saying runaway climate change is impossible on Earth is referring to this definition.</p>
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		<title>By: Neal</title>
		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2008/10/20/is-runaway-climate-change-possible/#comment-53366</link>
		<dc:creator>Neal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 01:48:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would have thought that runaway climate change describes the kind of thermal maximum hypothesized to have caused the end-Permian extinction. Rapidly rising CO2 or another comparable forcing leads to the biosphere releasing vast amounts of additional CO2 and perhaps methane from permafrost, clathrates, rotting organic matter, etc. which causes the chemistry of the oceans to change to the point where hydrogen sulfide producing bacteria dominate, oxygen levels plummet and toxic H2S skyrockets and virtually all aerobic life suffocates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would have thought that runaway climate change describes the kind of thermal maximum hypothesized to have caused the end-Permian extinction. Rapidly rising CO2 or another comparable forcing leads to the biosphere releasing vast amounts of additional CO2 and perhaps methane from permafrost, clathrates, rotting organic matter, etc. which causes the chemistry of the oceans to change to the point where hydrogen sulfide producing bacteria dominate, oxygen levels plummet and toxic H2S skyrockets and virtually all aerobic life suffocates.</p>
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