<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: Vaclav Klaus on climate change</title>
	<atom:link href="http://www.sindark.com/2008/12/20/vaclav-klaus-on-climate-change/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://www.sindark.com/2008/12/20/vaclav-klaus-on-climate-change/</link>
	<description>Temporarily Torontonian</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2012 08:01:40 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator>
	<item>
		<title>By: Milan</title>
		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2008/12/20/vaclav-klaus-on-climate-change/#comment-99489</link>
		<dc:creator>Milan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Oct 2010 02:24:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.sindark.com/?p=4298#comment-99489</guid>
		<description>Vaclav Klaus has a piece in the &lt;em&gt;Financial Post&lt;/em&gt; that I am going to need to write a response to: &lt;a href=&quot;http://opinion.financialpost.com/2010/10/20/vaclav-klaus-an-anti-human-ideology/&quot; title=&quot;Vaclav Klaus: An anti-human ideology &#124; FP Comment &#124; Financial Post&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;An anti-human ideology&lt;/a&gt;.

Right from the opening, it is deeply wrongheaded: &quot;The global warming dispute starts with a doctrine which claims that the rough coexistence of climate changes, of growing temperatures and of man-made increments of CO2 in the atmosphere — and what is more, only in a relatively short period of time — is a proof of a causal relationship between these phenomena. To the best of my knowledge there is no such relationship between them.&quot;

Scientists don&#039;t think CO2 causes warming because they happened to notice CO2 and temperatures rising at the same time! Rather, Tyndall worked out the properties of greenhouse gases in 1859 and subsequent theory and observation has developed a wide body of evidence showing that human-induced greenhouse gas emissions are warming the planet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vaclav Klaus has a piece in the <em>Financial Post</em> that I am going to need to write a response to: <a href="http://opinion.financialpost.com/2010/10/20/vaclav-klaus-an-anti-human-ideology/" title="Vaclav Klaus: An anti-human ideology | FP Comment | Financial Post" rel="nofollow">An anti-human ideology</a>.</p>
<p>Right from the opening, it is deeply wrongheaded: &#8220;The global warming dispute starts with a doctrine which claims that the rough coexistence of climate changes, of growing temperatures and of man-made increments of CO2 in the atmosphere — and what is more, only in a relatively short period of time — is a proof of a causal relationship between these phenomena. To the best of my knowledge there is no such relationship between them.&#8221;</p>
<p>Scientists don&#8217;t think CO2 causes warming because they happened to notice CO2 and temperatures rising at the same time! Rather, Tyndall worked out the properties of greenhouse gases in 1859 and subsequent theory and observation has developed a wide body of evidence showing that human-induced greenhouse gas emissions are warming the planet.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Milan</title>
		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2008/12/20/vaclav-klaus-on-climate-change/#comment-88978</link>
		<dc:creator>Milan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Apr 2010 19:29:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.sindark.com/?p=4298#comment-88978</guid>
		<description>Meanwhile, CEZ, the Czech national electricity company, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.economist.com/business-finance/displaystory.cfm?story_id=15869464&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;continues to claim&lt;/a&gt; that CO2 is a : &quot;harmless gas, inhaled by plants and creating bubbles in beverages.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meanwhile, CEZ, the Czech national electricity company, <a href="http://www.economist.com/business-finance/displaystory.cfm?story_id=15869464" rel="nofollow">continues to claim</a> that CO2 is a : &#8220;harmless gas, inhaled by plants and creating bubbles in beverages.&#8221;</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Arguments with climate change deniers</title>
		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2008/12/20/vaclav-klaus-on-climate-change/#comment-84133</link>
		<dc:creator>Arguments with climate change deniers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:09:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.sindark.com/?p=4298#comment-84133</guid>
		<description>[...] are listed here in the order in which they first appeared:  Antonio Sosa &#8211; January [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] are listed here in the order in which they first appeared:  Antonio Sosa &#8211; January [...]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: .</title>
		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2008/12/20/vaclav-klaus-on-climate-change/#comment-72509</link>
		<dc:creator>.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 20:01:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.sindark.com/?p=4298#comment-72509</guid>
		<description>24 March 09
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.desmogblog.com/czech-government-topples-leaving-global-warming-denier-president-vaclav-klaus-stranded&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Czech Government Topples, Leaving Global Warming Denier President Vaclav Klaus Stranded&lt;/a&gt;

The Czech Republic&#039;s three-party coalition government toppled today after losing a parliamentary &quot;no confidence&quot; vote.  That leaves Czech President Vaclav Klaus - global warming denier extraordinaire - with the responsibility of forming a new government post-haste as the economic crisis continues to pummel his people.  If three attempts to form a government fail, Klaus must call for early elections to let the people decide.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>24 March 09<br />
<a href="http://www.desmogblog.com/czech-government-topples-leaving-global-warming-denier-president-vaclav-klaus-stranded" rel="nofollow">Czech Government Topples, Leaving Global Warming Denier President Vaclav Klaus Stranded</a></p>
<p>The Czech Republic&#8217;s three-party coalition government toppled today after losing a parliamentary &#8220;no confidence&#8221; vote.  That leaves Czech President Vaclav Klaus &#8211; global warming denier extraordinaire &#8211; with the responsibility of forming a new government post-haste as the economic crisis continues to pummel his people.  If three attempts to form a government fail, Klaus must call for early elections to let the people decide.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: .</title>
		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2008/12/20/vaclav-klaus-on-climate-change/#comment-63642</link>
		<dc:creator>.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 05:17:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.sindark.com/?p=4298#comment-63642</guid>
		<description>Climate change logic:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://xkcd.com/164/&quot; title=&quot;xkcd - A Webcomic - Playing Devil&#039;s Advocate to Win&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Playing Devil&#039;s Advocate to Win&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Climate change logic:</p>
<p><a href="http://xkcd.com/164/" title="xkcd - A Webcomic - Playing Devil's Advocate to Win" rel="nofollow">Playing Devil&#8217;s Advocate to Win</a></p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Milan</title>
		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2008/12/20/vaclav-klaus-on-climate-change/#comment-63526</link>
		<dc:creator>Milan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 17:23:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.sindark.com/?p=4298#comment-63526</guid>
		<description>More on that petition of 31,000 &#039;scientists:&#039;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.desmogblog.com/flawed-oregon-petition-rises-again&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Flawed Oregon Petition Rises Again&lt;/a&gt;
21 May 08 
DeSmogBlog</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More on that petition of 31,000 &#8216;scientists:&#8217;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.desmogblog.com/flawed-oregon-petition-rises-again" rel="nofollow">Flawed Oregon Petition Rises Again</a><br />
21 May 08<br />
DeSmogBlog</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Milan</title>
		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2008/12/20/vaclav-klaus-on-climate-change/#comment-63525</link>
		<dc:creator>Milan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 17:22:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.sindark.com/?p=4298#comment-63525</guid>
		<description>Antonio Sosa,

&lt;em&gt;President Klaus’s thinking coincides with that of more than 650 international scientists also dissent over the man-made global warming claims. Their number is more than 12 times the number of UN scientists (52) who authored the media-hyped IPCC 2007 Summary for Policymakers.&lt;/em&gt;

The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) produced a report based on the work of thousands of scientists, hundreds of which were involved in the actual drafting process. Furthermore, if you investigate the state of discussion within the scientific community - as &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sindark.com/2006/10/28/experts-scientists-and-economists/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Naomi Oreskes has famously done&lt;/a&gt; - you find that the arguments of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sindark.com/2008/03/14/climate-change-delayers/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;climate change delayers&lt;/a&gt; about fundamental disagreement within the scientific community have no basis in fact.

&lt;em&gt;Additionally, more than 31,000 American scientists have signed onto a petition that states, “There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gases is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth’s atmosphere and disruption of the Earth’s climate…”&lt;/em&gt;

There are 31,000 people on that list, but there is no way to know whether any of them are actually scientists. As &lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.kqed.org/climatewatch/2008/12/01/can-31000-scientists-be-wrong-you-betcha/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this blog post&lt;/a&gt; describes, the guidelines on the site say only that: &quot;Signatories to the petition are required to have formal training in the analysis of information in physical science. This includes primarily those with BS, MS or PhD degrees in science, engineering, or related disciplines.&quot; Real scientists are strongly in agreement about the science of climate change. The national science academies of the G8 nations and Brazil, China and India, three of the largest emitters of greenhouse gases in the developing world, have &lt;a href=&quot;http://royalsociety.org/document.asp?id=3222&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;signed a statement on the global response to climate change. It is worth reading&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;em&gt;If not stopped, the global warming scam will enrich the scammers (Gore and Obama’s fraudulent friends), increase the power of the U.N. and communists like Obama, and multiply poverty and servitude for the rest of us.&lt;/em&gt;

Here we see some indication of the major agenda of climate change delayers: not to uncover the truth about how the climate system works and how people are affecting it, but to block necessary policies that clash with their interests of ideological affiliations. The fact that climate change challenges a libertarian economic agenda certainly doesn&#039;t mean it isn&#039;t a threat to the welfare of future generations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Antonio Sosa,</p>
<p><em>President Klaus’s thinking coincides with that of more than 650 international scientists also dissent over the man-made global warming claims. Their number is more than 12 times the number of UN scientists (52) who authored the media-hyped IPCC 2007 Summary for Policymakers.</em></p>
<p>The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) produced a report based on the work of thousands of scientists, hundreds of which were involved in the actual drafting process. Furthermore, if you investigate the state of discussion within the scientific community &#8211; as <a href="http://www.sindark.com/2006/10/28/experts-scientists-and-economists/" rel="nofollow">Naomi Oreskes has famously done</a> &#8211; you find that the arguments of <a href="http://www.sindark.com/2008/03/14/climate-change-delayers/" rel="nofollow">climate change delayers</a> about fundamental disagreement within the scientific community have no basis in fact.</p>
<p><em>Additionally, more than 31,000 American scientists have signed onto a petition that states, “There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gases is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth’s atmosphere and disruption of the Earth’s climate…”</em></p>
<p>There are 31,000 people on that list, but there is no way to know whether any of them are actually scientists. As <a href="http://blogs.kqed.org/climatewatch/2008/12/01/can-31000-scientists-be-wrong-you-betcha/" rel="nofollow">this blog post</a> describes, the guidelines on the site say only that: &#8220;Signatories to the petition are required to have formal training in the analysis of information in physical science. This includes primarily those with BS, MS or PhD degrees in science, engineering, or related disciplines.&#8221; Real scientists are strongly in agreement about the science of climate change. The national science academies of the G8 nations and Brazil, China and India, three of the largest emitters of greenhouse gases in the developing world, have <a href="http://royalsociety.org/document.asp?id=3222" rel="nofollow">signed a statement on the global response to climate change. It is worth reading</a>.</p>
<p><em>If not stopped, the global warming scam will enrich the scammers (Gore and Obama’s fraudulent friends), increase the power of the U.N. and communists like Obama, and multiply poverty and servitude for the rest of us.</em></p>
<p>Here we see some indication of the major agenda of climate change delayers: not to uncover the truth about how the climate system works and how people are affecting it, but to block necessary policies that clash with their interests of ideological affiliations. The fact that climate change challenges a libertarian economic agenda certainly doesn&#8217;t mean it isn&#8217;t a threat to the welfare of future generations.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Milan</title>
		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2008/12/20/vaclav-klaus-on-climate-change/#comment-63279</link>
		<dc:creator>Milan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 06:48:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.sindark.com/?p=4298#comment-63279</guid>
		<description>That last comment deserves a proper debunking. I will get on it when I have a bit more time.

In short, there is no sense in which the scientific consensus on human-induced climate change is under threat from alternative theories. Those who assert that it is not happening, not caused by humans, or not a problem are united principally by their desire to avoid regulations on greenhouse gas emissions - not any credible beliefs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That last comment deserves a proper debunking. I will get on it when I have a bit more time.</p>
<p>In short, there is no sense in which the scientific consensus on human-induced climate change is under threat from alternative theories. Those who assert that it is not happening, not caused by humans, or not a problem are united principally by their desire to avoid regulations on greenhouse gas emissions &#8211; not any credible beliefs.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Antonio Sosa</title>
		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2008/12/20/vaclav-klaus-on-climate-change/#comment-63278</link>
		<dc:creator>Antonio Sosa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 06:43:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.sindark.com/?p=4298#comment-63278</guid>
		<description>Czech President Vaclav Klaus demostrated great courage and intelligence when he stated the truth --  “environmentalism is the new communism and climate change is a myth.” 

Congratulations, President Klaus! At last we have a courageous leader dares declare what is obvious to all informed Americans and Europeans -- that emperor Gore is naked, that his man-made Global Warming ideas are a hoax. 

President Klaus&#039;s thinking coincides with that of more than 650 international scientists also dissent over the man-made global warming claims. Their number is more than 12 times the number of UN scientists (52) who authored the media-hyped IPCC 2007 Summary for Policymakers.

Additionally, more than 31,000 American scientists have signed onto a petition that states, “There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gases is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth’s atmosphere and disruption of the Earth’s climate…” http://www.pr-inside.com/the-petition-contains-the-signatures-of-r613239.htm

If not stopped, the global warming scam will enrich the scammers (Gore and Obama’s fraudulent friends), increase the power of the U.N. and communists like Obama, and multiply poverty and servitude for the rest of us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Czech President Vaclav Klaus demostrated great courage and intelligence when he stated the truth &#8212;  “environmentalism is the new communism and climate change is a myth.” </p>
<p>Congratulations, President Klaus! At last we have a courageous leader dares declare what is obvious to all informed Americans and Europeans &#8212; that emperor Gore is naked, that his man-made Global Warming ideas are a hoax. </p>
<p>President Klaus&#8217;s thinking coincides with that of more than 650 international scientists also dissent over the man-made global warming claims. Their number is more than 12 times the number of UN scientists (52) who authored the media-hyped IPCC 2007 Summary for Policymakers.</p>
<p>Additionally, more than 31,000 American scientists have signed onto a petition that states, “There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gases is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth’s atmosphere and disruption of the Earth’s climate…” <a href="http://www.pr-inside.com/the-petition-contains-the-signatures-of-r613239.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.pr-inside.com/the-petition-contains-the-sign atures-of-r613239.htm</a></p>
<p>If not stopped, the global warming scam will enrich the scammers (Gore and Obama’s fraudulent friends), increase the power of the U.N. and communists like Obama, and multiply poverty and servitude for the rest of us.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Tristan</title>
		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2008/12/20/vaclav-klaus-on-climate-change/#comment-62937</link>
		<dc:creator>Tristan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 19:24:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.sindark.com/?p=4298#comment-62937</guid>
		<description>&quot;Recession’s blessing&quot;

&quot;Unpaid workers have been staging violent protests. &quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Recession’s blessing&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Unpaid workers have been staging violent protests. &#8220;</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: .</title>
		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2008/12/20/vaclav-klaus-on-climate-change/#comment-62935</link>
		<dc:creator>.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 19:03:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.sindark.com/?p=4298#comment-62935</guid>
		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://climateethics.org/?p=50&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Minimum Ethical Criteria For All Post-Kyoto Regime Proposals: What Does Ethics Require of A Copenhagen Outcome&lt;/a&gt;
climateethics.org

* Environmental Sufficiency: Putting Global Emissions On A Safe Reduction Pathway
* The Equity Criteria: Assuring A Just Allocation Of National Targets</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://climateethics.org/?p=50" rel="nofollow">Minimum Ethical Criteria For All Post-Kyoto Regime Proposals: What Does Ethics Require of A Copenhagen Outcome</a><br />
climateethics.org</p>
<p>* Environmental Sufficiency: Putting Global Emissions On A Safe Reduction Pathway<br />
* The Equity Criteria: Assuring A Just Allocation Of National Targets</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: .</title>
		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2008/12/20/vaclav-klaus-on-climate-change/#comment-62904</link>
		<dc:creator>.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 02:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.sindark.com/?p=4298#comment-62904</guid>
		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.economist.com/business/displaystory.cfm?story_id=12780891&quot; title=&quot;A shift in Chinese retailing &#124; Recession&#039;s blessing &#124; The Economist&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Recession&#039;s blessing&lt;/a&gt;

Dec 11th 2008 &#124; HONG KONG AND SHENZHEN
From The Economist print edition
Falling Western demand is keeping high-quality Chinese goods in China

&quot;Chinese manufacturers are well aware that they operate in one of the few large markets that is still showing a pulse. Retail sales in October were up by 22% compared with the same month in 2007—a slight drop from 23.2% in September, but an impressive figure nonetheless. That certainly exaggerates the country’s economic vigour (growth in car sales, for example, is declining), but it would be a stretch to believe that China is in recession.

As domestic consumption booms, China’s export-oriented manufacturers are under siege. Figures announced on December 10th showed that exports fell by a startling 2.2% in November, compared with a year earlier. Analysts had expected an increase of around 15%; it was the first fall in exports for seven years. The news followed a government survey, released on December 1st, that showed a precipitous decline in the fortunes of export manufacturers, confirming lots of anecdotal evidence. Every week brings fresh reports of factory closings, particularly in the industrial belt around the Pearl River delta in southern China. Unpaid workers have been staging violent protests. Diverting goods intended for export to the domestic market makes sense for factory owners, who want their firms to survive, and for local officials, who wish to maintain order.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.economist.com/business/displaystory.cfm?story_id=12780891" title="A shift in Chinese retailing | Recession's blessing | The Economist" rel="nofollow">Recession&#8217;s blessing</a></p>
<p>Dec 11th 2008 | HONG KONG AND SHENZHEN<br />
From The Economist print edition<br />
Falling Western demand is keeping high-quality Chinese goods in China</p>
<p>&#8220;Chinese manufacturers are well aware that they operate in one of the few large markets that is still showing a pulse. Retail sales in October were up by 22% compared with the same month in 2007—a slight drop from 23.2% in September, but an impressive figure nonetheless. That certainly exaggerates the country’s economic vigour (growth in car sales, for example, is declining), but it would be a stretch to believe that China is in recession.</p>
<p>As domestic consumption booms, China’s export-oriented manufacturers are under siege. Figures announced on December 10th showed that exports fell by a startling 2.2% in November, compared with a year earlier. Analysts had expected an increase of around 15%; it was the first fall in exports for seven years. The news followed a government survey, released on December 1st, that showed a precipitous decline in the fortunes of export manufacturers, confirming lots of anecdotal evidence. Every week brings fresh reports of factory closings, particularly in the industrial belt around the Pearl River delta in southern China. Unpaid workers have been staging violent protests. Diverting goods intended for export to the domestic market makes sense for factory owners, who want their firms to survive, and for local officials, who wish to maintain order.&#8221;</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>

