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		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2009/03/05/on-recession-and-the-value-of-graduate-school/#comment-159252</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Nov 2011 18:32:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Technology allows firms to offshore back-office tasks, for instance, or replace cashiers with automated kiosks. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.economist.com/node/21538699&quot; title=&quot;Economics Focus: Marathon machine &#124; The Economist&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Powerful new systems may threaten the jobs of those who felt safe from technology.&lt;/a&gt; Pattern-recognition software is used to do work previously accomplished by teams of lawyers. Programmes can do a passable job writing up baseball games, and may soon fill parts of newspaper sections (those not sunk by free online competition). Workers are displaced, but businesses are proving slow to find new uses for the labour made available. Those left unemployed or underemployed are struggling to retrain and catch up with the new economy’s needs.

As a result, the labour force is polarising. Many of those once employed as semi-skilled workers are now fighting for low-wage jobs. Change has been good for those at the very top. Whereas real wages have been falling or flat for most workers, they have increased for those who have advanced degrees. Owners of capital have also benefited. They have enjoyed big gains from the increased returns on investments in equipment. Technology is allowing the best performers in many fields, such as superstar entertainers, to dominate global markets, crowding out those even slightly less skilled. And technology has yet to cut costs for health care, or education. Much of the rich world’s workforce has been squeezed on two sides, by stagnant wages and rising costs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Technology allows firms to offshore back-office tasks, for instance, or replace cashiers with automated kiosks. <a href="http://www.economist.com/node/21538699" title="Economics Focus: Marathon machine | The Economist" rel="nofollow">Powerful new systems may threaten the jobs of those who felt safe from technology.</a> Pattern-recognition software is used to do work previously accomplished by teams of lawyers. Programmes can do a passable job writing up baseball games, and may soon fill parts of newspaper sections (those not sunk by free online competition). Workers are displaced, but businesses are proving slow to find new uses for the labour made available. Those left unemployed or underemployed are struggling to retrain and catch up with the new economy’s needs.</p>
<p>As a result, the labour force is polarising. Many of those once employed as semi-skilled workers are now fighting for low-wage jobs. Change has been good for those at the very top. Whereas real wages have been falling or flat for most workers, they have increased for those who have advanced degrees. Owners of capital have also benefited. They have enjoyed big gains from the increased returns on investments in equipment. Technology is allowing the best performers in many fields, such as superstar entertainers, to dominate global markets, crowding out those even slightly less skilled. And technology has yet to cut costs for health care, or education. Much of the rich world’s workforce has been squeezed on two sides, by stagnant wages and rising costs.</p>
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		<title>By: .</title>
		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2009/03/05/on-recession-and-the-value-of-graduate-school/#comment-157396</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Nov 2011 14:02:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://mobile.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2011/11/law_schools_should_pay_students_to_quit_.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Paying Students To Quit Law School&lt;/a&gt;

An unorthodox solution to the problem of too many graduates unable to repay their loans.

By Akhil Reed Amar and Ian Ayres</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://mobile.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2011/11/law_schools_should_pay_students_to_quit_.html" rel="nofollow">Paying Students To Quit Law School</a></p>
<p>An unorthodox solution to the problem of too many graduates unable to repay their loans.</p>
<p>By Akhil Reed Amar and Ian Ayres</p>
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		<title>By: .</title>
		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2009/03/05/on-recession-and-the-value-of-graduate-school/#comment-155248</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Nov 2011 22:36:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://boingboing.net/2011/11/12/us-college-grads-salaries-in.html&quot; title=&quot;US college grads&#039; salaries in steep decline - Boing Boing&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;US college grads&#039; salaries in steep decline&lt;/a&gt;

* Real earnings for young male college grads are down 19% since their peak in 2000.
* Real earnings for young female college grads are down 16% since their peak in 2003.

These figures are for full-time workers, ages 25-34, with a bachelor’s degree only.</description>
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<p>* Real earnings for young male college grads are down 19% since their peak in 2000.<br />
* Real earnings for young female college grads are down 16% since their peak in 2003.</p>
<p>These figures are for full-time workers, ages 25-34, with a bachelor’s degree only.</p>
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		<title>By: Unusually occupied</title>
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		<dc:creator>Unusually occupied</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Oct 2011 00:36:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the many highly valid objections against doctoral programs, they are looking like my best option at the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Who respects fancy degrees?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Who respects fancy degrees?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Sep 2011 14:25:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] On recession and the value of graduate school [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Milan</title>
		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2009/03/05/on-recession-and-the-value-of-graduate-school/#comment-117453</link>
		<dc:creator>Milan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 May 2011 21:47:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>University degrees are still &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sindark.com/2011/01/08/the-value-of-a-phd/#comment-117451&quot; title=&quot;The value of a doctorate&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;correlated with higher income in Canada&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>University degrees are still <a href="http://www.sindark.com/2011/01/08/the-value-of-a-phd/#comment-117451" title="The value of a doctorate" rel="nofollow">correlated with higher income in Canada</a>.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Feb 2011 23:11:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://hziegler.com/&quot; title=&quot;Healthcare and Nursing Jobs in Saudi Arabia and the Middle East - Helen Ziegler&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Helen Ziegler &amp; Associates&lt;/a&gt; specializes in international recruitment of health care professionals to the Middle East

Why do people work in the Middle East?  Some people go for the tax-free salary.  Others go for the adventure. Some stay for years; a good number return repeatedly.

Day-to-day life is less hectic than in the West. You don’t have the daily aggravations: the long commute to work; the energy spent on maintaining your dwelling; the scramble to buy stuff you don’t need. You have time to develop other parts of your life, be they athletic, artistic, or spiritual. As the repeaters tell us, you have more fun in the Middle East. Finally, those of us who have lived in the Arabian Peninsula, feel that it has been a truly enlightening experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://hziegler.com/" title="Healthcare and Nursing Jobs in Saudi Arabia and the Middle East - Helen Ziegler" rel="nofollow">Helen Ziegler &amp; Associates</a> specializes in international recruitment of health care professionals to the Middle East</p>
<p>Why do people work in the Middle East?  Some people go for the tax-free salary.  Others go for the adventure. Some stay for years; a good number return repeatedly.</p>
<p>Day-to-day life is less hectic than in the West. You don’t have the daily aggravations: the long commute to work; the energy spent on maintaining your dwelling; the scramble to buy stuff you don’t need. You have time to develop other parts of your life, be they athletic, artistic, or spiritual. As the repeaters tell us, you have more fun in the Middle East. Finally, those of us who have lived in the Arabian Peninsula, feel that it has been a truly enlightening experience.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Feb 2011 00:22:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.economist.com/node/17733545?story_id=17733545&quot; title=&quot;Corporate law: Offshoring your lawyer &#124; The Economist&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Offshoring your lawyer&lt;/a&gt;
Outsourcing can cut your legal bills

HOW many lawyers does it take to change a light bulb? The answer is 53: eight to argue, four to object, three to research precedents, one to ask a secretary to change the bulb and 37 to bill their time at an exorbitant hourly rate. When every joke about your business mentions featherbedding, you should be worried about outsourcing. At last, lawyers are.

Thomson Reuters, a media and information-services company, bought Pangea3, a legal-process outsourcing firm with most of its lawyers in Mumbai, in November. At about the same time, Thomson Reuters said it was looking to sell BarBri, a company that prepares young American law graduates for the bar examination. Thomson Reuters says the two deals have nothing to do with each other. But Elie Mystal of Above The Law, a muckraking blog, sees a straightforward swap: more cheap Indian lawyers, fewer expensive American ones.

Legal outsourcing is still small. Of the $180 billion that Americans spend on lawyers each year, only about $1 billion goes to outsourcers. But this is growing at perhaps 20-30% a year, for the simple reason that legal costs are out of control. Between 1998 and 2009, big law firms’ hourly rates shot up by more than 65%, according to the Corporate Executive Board, a consultancy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.economist.com/node/17733545?story_id=17733545" title="Corporate law: Offshoring your lawyer | The Economist" rel="nofollow">Offshoring your lawyer</a><br />
Outsourcing can cut your legal bills</p>
<p>HOW many lawyers does it take to change a light bulb? The answer is 53: eight to argue, four to object, three to research precedents, one to ask a secretary to change the bulb and 37 to bill their time at an exorbitant hourly rate. When every joke about your business mentions featherbedding, you should be worried about outsourcing. At last, lawyers are.</p>
<p>Thomson Reuters, a media and information-services company, bought Pangea3, a legal-process outsourcing firm with most of its lawyers in Mumbai, in November. At about the same time, Thomson Reuters said it was looking to sell BarBri, a company that prepares young American law graduates for the bar examination. Thomson Reuters says the two deals have nothing to do with each other. But Elie Mystal of Above The Law, a muckraking blog, sees a straightforward swap: more cheap Indian lawyers, fewer expensive American ones.</p>
<p>Legal outsourcing is still small. Of the $180 billion that Americans spend on lawyers each year, only about $1 billion goes to outsourcers. But this is growing at perhaps 20-30% a year, for the simple reason that legal costs are out of control. Between 1998 and 2009, big law firms’ hourly rates shot up by more than 65%, according to the Corporate Executive Board, a consultancy.</p>
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		<title>By: The value of a doctorate</title>
		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2009/03/05/on-recession-and-the-value-of-graduate-school/#comment-105073</link>
		<dc:creator>The value of a doctorate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jan 2011 21:46:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] All this relates to the earlier discussion here about the recession and the value of grad school. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] All this relates to the earlier discussion here about the recession and the value of grad school. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: .</title>
		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2009/03/05/on-recession-and-the-value-of-graduate-school/#comment-101781</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Dec 2010 21:35:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>America&#039;s law schools and firms
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.economist.com/node/17461573?story_id=17461573&quot; title=&quot;America&#039;s law schools and firms: Trouble with the law &#124; The Economist&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Trouble with the law&lt;/a&gt;
Graduates of American law schools are finding that their chosen career is less lucrative than they had hoped

Nov 11th 2010 &#124; NEW YORK &#124; from PRINT EDITION 

THIS year “The Apprentice”, a television show in which contestants compete for the privilege of working for Donald Trump, features 16 who are down on their luck, having lost previous jobs or otherwise having to start anew. No fewer than five of them are lawyers. The legal-job market in America remains dire. But the numbers applying to law school are still soaring, and students are taking out ever bigger loans as tuition fees grow faster than lawyers’ salaries. Increasingly, they are graduating into a world of overblown expectation and debt.

Between 1996 and 2008 private law schools’ median tuition fees almost doubled, to just under $34,000 a year. At public law schools fees grew even faster, albeit from a lower base: for those going to schools in their home state they almost trebled, taking the median to around $16,000. Starting salaries at the biggest firms—those with more than 500 lawyers—roughly doubled, to $160,000. But such plum jobs are hard to get, especially for graduates of the less prestigious public schools. At smaller firms starting pay has for years failed to keep up with soaring tuition fees, and of late has fallen (see chart).

Graduates’ chances in the job market have worsened since the “great purge” of 2009, when firms laid off young lawyers and withdrew job offers. The National Law Journal says that the 250 biggest firms cut their numbers of attorneys by 4% in 2009 and were projected to cut by another 1.1% in 2010, making for the worst two-year period in the 33 years of the journal’s surveys.

Those that did not lay off any lawyers have frozen hiring and squeezed more work out of their staff. So morale is dismal at many firms. But it is worse among those recent graduates stuck in temporary or part-time posts or working in non-legal jobs. The grim market has given rise to a situations-vacant website, shitlawjobs.com, whose home-page banner reads: “You’re a lawyer, the economy sucks and you need a job.” Among its latest vacancies on November 10th was one for a Spanish-speaking lawyer, on just $10 an hour.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>America&#8217;s law schools and firms<br />
<a href="http://www.economist.com/node/17461573?story_id=17461573" title="America's law schools and firms: Trouble with the law | The Economist" rel="nofollow">Trouble with the law</a><br />
Graduates of American law schools are finding that their chosen career is less lucrative than they had hoped</p>
<p>Nov 11th 2010 | NEW YORK | from PRINT EDITION </p>
<p>THIS year “The Apprentice”, a television show in which contestants compete for the privilege of working for Donald Trump, features 16 who are down on their luck, having lost previous jobs or otherwise having to start anew. No fewer than five of them are lawyers. The legal-job market in America remains dire. But the numbers applying to law school are still soaring, and students are taking out ever bigger loans as tuition fees grow faster than lawyers’ salaries. Increasingly, they are graduating into a world of overblown expectation and debt.</p>
<p>Between 1996 and 2008 private law schools’ median tuition fees almost doubled, to just under $34,000 a year. At public law schools fees grew even faster, albeit from a lower base: for those going to schools in their home state they almost trebled, taking the median to around $16,000. Starting salaries at the biggest firms—those with more than 500 lawyers—roughly doubled, to $160,000. But such plum jobs are hard to get, especially for graduates of the less prestigious public schools. At smaller firms starting pay has for years failed to keep up with soaring tuition fees, and of late has fallen (see chart).</p>
<p>Graduates’ chances in the job market have worsened since the “great purge” of 2009, when firms laid off young lawyers and withdrew job offers. The National Law Journal says that the 250 biggest firms cut their numbers of attorneys by 4% in 2009 and were projected to cut by another 1.1% in 2010, making for the worst two-year period in the 33 years of the journal’s surveys.</p>
<p>Those that did not lay off any lawyers have frozen hiring and squeezed more work out of their staff. So morale is dismal at many firms. But it is worse among those recent graduates stuck in temporary or part-time posts or working in non-legal jobs. The grim market has given rise to a situations-vacant website, shitlawjobs.com, whose home-page banner reads: “You’re a lawyer, the economy sucks and you need a job.” Among its latest vacancies on November 10th was one for a Spanish-speaking lawyer, on just $10 an hour.</p>
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		<title>By: Milan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Milan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Oct 2010 17:31:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps med school is the safer bet:&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;That has caused some concern among lawyers who think the accrediting organization, the American Bar Association, is doing the profession a disservice by approving so many new schools. (Contrast that with medical schools. They come with much higher startup costs and tend not to be money-makers. Relatively few students get medical degrees every year, and demand far outstrips supply.)&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;Of course, most graduate programs don&#039;t require you to cut up cadavers, or work absurdly long hospital shifts.</description>
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<p>That has caused some concern among lawyers who think the accrediting organization, the American Bar Association, is doing the profession a disservice by approving so many new schools. (Contrast that with medical schools. They come with much higher startup costs and tend not to be money-makers. Relatively few students get medical degrees every year, and demand far outstrips supply.)</p>
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<p>Of course, most graduate programs don&#8217;t require you to cut up cadavers, or work absurdly long hospital shifts.</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Oct 2010 17:27:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>During the recession, the logic was ubiquitous: The economy is terrible—better to wait it out! It is a three-year fast track to a remunerative, respectable career! It&#039;s not just learning a subject—it&#039;s learning how to think! Law school, always the safe choice, became a more popular choice. Between 2007 and 2009, the number of LSAT takers climbed 20.5 percent. Law school applications increased in turn.

But now a number of recent or current law students are saying—or screaming—that they made a mistake. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.slate.com/id/2272621/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;They went to law school, they say, and now they&#039;re underemployed or jobless, in debt, and three years older. And statistics show that the evidence is more than anecdotal.&lt;/a&gt;

One Boston College Law School third-year—miraculously, still anonymous—begged for his tuition back in exchange for a promise to drop out without a degree, in an open letter to his dean published earlier this month. &quot;This will benefit both of us,&quot; he argues. &quot;On the one hand, I will be free to return to the teaching career I left to come here. I&#039;ll be able to provide for my family without the crushing weight of my law school loans. On the other hand, this will help BC Law go up in the rankings, since you will not have to report my unemployment at graduation to US News. This will present no loss to me, only gain: in today&#039;s job market, a J.D. seems to be more of a liability than an asset.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>During the recession, the logic was ubiquitous: The economy is terrible—better to wait it out! It is a three-year fast track to a remunerative, respectable career! It&#8217;s not just learning a subject—it&#8217;s learning how to think! Law school, always the safe choice, became a more popular choice. Between 2007 and 2009, the number of LSAT takers climbed 20.5 percent. Law school applications increased in turn.</p>
<p>But now a number of recent or current law students are saying—or screaming—that they made a mistake. <a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2272621/" rel="nofollow">They went to law school, they say, and now they&#8217;re underemployed or jobless, in debt, and three years older. And statistics show that the evidence is more than anecdotal.</a></p>
<p>One Boston College Law School third-year—miraculously, still anonymous—begged for his tuition back in exchange for a promise to drop out without a degree, in an open letter to his dean published earlier this month. &#8220;This will benefit both of us,&#8221; he argues. &#8220;On the one hand, I will be free to return to the teaching career I left to come here. I&#8217;ll be able to provide for my family without the crushing weight of my law school loans. On the other hand, this will help BC Law go up in the rankings, since you will not have to report my unemployment at graduation to US News. This will present no loss to me, only gain: in today&#8217;s job market, a J.D. seems to be more of a liability than an asset.&#8221;</p>
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