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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 15:23:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8569351.stm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Climate &#039;fix&#039; could poison sea life&lt;/a&gt;
By Richard Black
Environment correspondent, BBC News 

Fertilising the oceans with iron to absorb carbon dioxide could increase concentrations of a chemical that can kill marine mammals, a study has found.

Iron stimulates growth of marine algae that absorb CO2 from the air, and has been touted as a &quot;climate fix&quot;.

Now researchers have shown that the algae increase production of a nerve poison that can kill mammals and birds.

Writing in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, they say this raises &quot;serious concern&quot; over the idea.

The toxin - domoic acid - first came to notice in the late 1980s as the cause of amnesiac shellfish poisoning.

It is produced by algae of the genus Pseudonitzschia, with concentrations rising rapidly when the algae &quot;bloom&quot;.

Now, its presence in seawater often requires the suspension of shellfishing operations, and is regularly implicated in deaths of animals such as sealions.

Domoic acid poisoning may also lie behind a 1961 incident in which flocks of seabirds appeared to attack the Californian town of Capitola - an event believed to have shaped Alfred Hitchcock&#039;s interpretation of Daphne du Maurier&#039;s The Birds in his 1963 thriller.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8569351.stm" rel="nofollow">Climate &#8216;fix&#8217; could poison sea life</a><br />
By Richard Black<br />
Environment correspondent, BBC News </p>
<p>Fertilising the oceans with iron to absorb carbon dioxide could increase concentrations of a chemical that can kill marine mammals, a study has found.</p>
<p>Iron stimulates growth of marine algae that absorb CO2 from the air, and has been touted as a &#8220;climate fix&#8221;.</p>
<p>Now researchers have shown that the algae increase production of a nerve poison that can kill mammals and birds.</p>
<p>Writing in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, they say this raises &#8220;serious concern&#8221; over the idea.</p>
<p>The toxin &#8211; domoic acid &#8211; first came to notice in the late 1980s as the cause of amnesiac shellfish poisoning.</p>
<p>It is produced by algae of the genus Pseudonitzschia, with concentrations rising rapidly when the algae &#8220;bloom&#8221;.</p>
<p>Now, its presence in seawater often requires the suspension of shellfishing operations, and is regularly implicated in deaths of animals such as sealions.</p>
<p>Domoic acid poisoning may also lie behind a 1961 incident in which flocks of seabirds appeared to attack the Californian town of Capitola &#8211; an event believed to have shaped Alfred Hitchcock&#8217;s interpretation of Daphne du Maurier&#8217;s The Birds in his 1963 thriller.</p>
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		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2009/03/24/ocean-iron-fertilization-for-geoengineering/#comment-82349</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 21:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a&gt;Nature: Ocean fertilization for geoengineering “should be abandoned&quot;&lt;/a&gt;

By Joe on Geoengineering

    In the face of seemingly accelerating climate change, some have proposed tackling the problem with geoengineering: intentionally altering the planet’s physical or biological systems to counteract global warming. One such strategy — fertilizing the oceans with iron to stimulate phytoplankton blooms, absorb carbon dioxide from the atmosphere and export carbon to the deep sea — should be abandoned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a>Nature: Ocean fertilization for geoengineering “should be abandoned&#8221;</a></p>
<p>By Joe on Geoengineering</p>
<p>    In the face of seemingly accelerating climate change, some have proposed tackling the problem with geoengineering: intentionally altering the planet’s physical or biological systems to counteract global warming. One such strategy — fertilizing the oceans with iron to stimulate phytoplankton blooms, absorb carbon dioxide from the atmosphere and export carbon to the deep sea — should be abandoned.</p>
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		<title>By: troll</title>
		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2009/03/24/ocean-iron-fertilization-for-geoengineering/#comment-77086</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 16:53:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can you explain the iron hypothesis in terms of a car analogy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can you explain the iron hypothesis in terms of a car analogy?</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 21:42:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adding iron into the oceans, to induce a phytoplankton bloom that will take up atmospheric CO2, is one of the many proposed geo-engineering solutions to slow down climate change. Some perspective on such an approach is provided by research conducted by an international team of scientists in a region of the southern ocean where there is a natural source of iron enrichment. Specifically, the scientists tested the hypothesis that the observed north-south gradient in phytoplankton concentrations is induced by natural iron fertilization (in which iron-rich dust blowing off the Crozet Islands settles on the waters) and that the areas of higher concentration have  enhanced organic carbon flux into the deep ocean. Their observations indicate that natural iron fertilization does enhance new phytoplankton production and does lead to higher export of carbon into the ocean.  At 100 metres depth, there was a two- to threefold increase in carbon export compared to an adjacent high nutrient, low-chlorophyll area not fertilized by iron. Moreover, the carbon fluxes at 3000 metres were similarly two to three times higher beneath the iron fertilized region. These results support an earlier hypothesis that increased iron supply to the glacial sub-Antarctic enhances carbon sequestration into the deep ocean. However, comparing their results with previous experimental studies, they found that carbon sequestration efficiency was 18 times greater than that of a phytoplankton bloom induced artificially by adding iron. The authors note that the large losses of iron during artificial iron enrichment experiments can explain the lower efficiency of the induced bloom. These results have significant implications for proposals to mitigate the effects of climate change through purposeful addition of iron to the ocean since they indicate that such approaches may not be very efficient. 

(Reference: Pollard, R.T, I. Salter, R.J. Sanders et al. 2008. Southern Ocean deep-water carbon export enhanced by natural iron fertilization. Nature, 457, doi:10.1038/nature07716, 5 pages.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adding iron into the oceans, to induce a phytoplankton bloom that will take up atmospheric CO2, is one of the many proposed geo-engineering solutions to slow down climate change. Some perspective on such an approach is provided by research conducted by an international team of scientists in a region of the southern ocean where there is a natural source of iron enrichment. Specifically, the scientists tested the hypothesis that the observed north-south gradient in phytoplankton concentrations is induced by natural iron fertilization (in which iron-rich dust blowing off the Crozet Islands settles on the waters) and that the areas of higher concentration have  enhanced organic carbon flux into the deep ocean. Their observations indicate that natural iron fertilization does enhance new phytoplankton production and does lead to higher export of carbon into the ocean.  At 100 metres depth, there was a two- to threefold increase in carbon export compared to an adjacent high nutrient, low-chlorophyll area not fertilized by iron. Moreover, the carbon fluxes at 3000 metres were similarly two to three times higher beneath the iron fertilized region. These results support an earlier hypothesis that increased iron supply to the glacial sub-Antarctic enhances carbon sequestration into the deep ocean. However, comparing their results with previous experimental studies, they found that carbon sequestration efficiency was 18 times greater than that of a phytoplankton bloom induced artificially by adding iron. The authors note that the large losses of iron during artificial iron enrichment experiments can explain the lower efficiency of the induced bloom. These results have significant implications for proposals to mitigate the effects of climate change through purposeful addition of iron to the ocean since they indicate that such approaches may not be very efficient. </p>
<p>(Reference: Pollard, R.T, I. Salter, R.J. Sanders et al. 2008. Southern Ocean deep-water carbon export enhanced by natural iron fertilization. Nature, 457, doi:10.1038/nature07716, 5 pages.)</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 00:46:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/03/26/1622243&amp;from=rss&quot; title=&quot;Slashdot &#124; Hungry Crustaceans Eat Climate Change Experiment&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Hungry Crustaceans Eat Climate Change Experiment&lt;/a&gt;

Earlier this month, an expedition fertilized 300 square kilometers of the Atlantic Ocean with six metric tons of dissolved iron. This triggered a bloom of phytoplankton, which doubled their biomass within two weeks by taking in carbon dioxide from the seawater. The dead phytoplankton were then expected to sink to the ocean bed, dragging carbon along with them. Instead they experiment turned into an example of how the food chain works as the bloom was eaten by a swarm of hungry copepods. The huge swarm of copepods were in turn eaten by larger crustaceans called amphipods, which are often eaten by squid and whales. &quot;I think we are seeing the last gasps of ocean iron fertilization as a carbon storage strategy,&quot; says Ken Caldeira of the Carnegie Institution at Stanford University. While the experiment failed to show ocean fertilization as a viable carbon storage strategy, it has pushed the old &quot;My dog ate my homework&quot; excuse to an unprecedented level.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/03/26/1622243&amp;from=rss" title="Slashdot | Hungry Crustaceans Eat Climate Change Experiment" rel="nofollow">Hungry Crustaceans Eat Climate Change Experiment</a></p>
<p>Earlier this month, an expedition fertilized 300 square kilometers of the Atlantic Ocean with six metric tons of dissolved iron. This triggered a bloom of phytoplankton, which doubled their biomass within two weeks by taking in carbon dioxide from the seawater. The dead phytoplankton were then expected to sink to the ocean bed, dragging carbon along with them. Instead they experiment turned into an example of how the food chain works as the bloom was eaten by a swarm of hungry copepods. The huge swarm of copepods were in turn eaten by larger crustaceans called amphipods, which are often eaten by squid and whales. &#8220;I think we are seeing the last gasps of ocean iron fertilization as a carbon storage strategy,&#8221; says Ken Caldeira of the Carnegie Institution at Stanford University. While the experiment failed to show ocean fertilization as a viable carbon storage strategy, it has pushed the old &#8220;My dog ate my homework&#8221; excuse to an unprecedented level.</p>
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		<title>By: Milan</title>
		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2009/03/24/ocean-iron-fertilization-for-geoengineering/#comment-72485</link>
		<dc:creator>Milan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 14:44:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is true enough, and an important moral point to stress:

To a considerable extent, the welfare (perhaps even the lives) of those in future generations is dependent on the choices we make, regarding our emissions. At the same time, they are powerless to harm us in any way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is true enough, and an important moral point to stress:</p>
<p>To a considerable extent, the welfare (perhaps even the lives) of those in future generations is dependent on the choices we make, regarding our emissions. At the same time, they are powerless to harm us in any way.</p>
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		<title>By: R.K.</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 17:23:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Timescales are an issue here. The effects of geoengineering would likely be felt much more quickly than the full effects of climate change.

&lt;em&gt;Given how appalling the consequences of our greenhouse gas emissions are likely to be for future generations within our own states, it would not be surprising if voters and governments opt for such a negligent course of action. The fact that we are cheerfully committing suicide suggests that we will probably commit murder without the slightest concern or consideration. &lt;/em&gt;

Those alive today aren&#039;t really risking suicide by climate change, though the national policies of many states are likely to be suicidal for those states. It is fairer to say that those alive in states like Canada now are risking the deaths of those who will live in Canada later. In the nearer term, their possibility of living prosperous and satisfying lives is being threatened.

Also, since geoengineering would happen on a year-to-year timescale, people in affected states and regions could complain while it was going on. Obviously, members of future generations that will be badly harmed by climate change can neither speak to us now nor do anything to stop our climate destabilizing activities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Timescales are an issue here. The effects of geoengineering would likely be felt much more quickly than the full effects of climate change.</p>
<p><em>Given how appalling the consequences of our greenhouse gas emissions are likely to be for future generations within our own states, it would not be surprising if voters and governments opt for such a negligent course of action. The fact that we are cheerfully committing suicide suggests that we will probably commit murder without the slightest concern or consideration. </em></p>
<p>Those alive today aren&#8217;t really risking suicide by climate change, though the national policies of many states are likely to be suicidal for those states. It is fairer to say that those alive in states like Canada now are risking the deaths of those who will live in Canada later. In the nearer term, their possibility of living prosperous and satisfying lives is being threatened.</p>
<p>Also, since geoengineering would happen on a year-to-year timescale, people in affected states and regions could complain while it was going on. Obviously, members of future generations that will be badly harmed by climate change can neither speak to us now nor do anything to stop our climate destabilizing activities.</p>
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