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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Nov 2011 01:09:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.economist.com/node/21534802&quot; title=&quot;Clean energy in California: On its own sunny path &#124; The Economist&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Some firms are building vast fields of mirrors in the Mojave desert&lt;/a&gt; to focus the sun onto water boilers and use the steam to spin turbines. But this also requires costly power grids to carry the electricity to the distant cities. Unexpectedly, it has also drawn the ire of some environmentalists, who love renewable energy but hate the mirrors (or wind farms) that ruin landscapes. In the Mojave they fret about a species of tortoise. Elsewhere they have gone to court for the blunt-nosed leopard lizard and the giant kangaroo rat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.economist.com/node/21534802" title="Clean energy in California: On its own sunny path | The Economist" rel="nofollow">Some firms are building vast fields of mirrors in the Mojave desert</a> to focus the sun onto water boilers and use the steam to spin turbines. But this also requires costly power grids to carry the electricity to the distant cities. Unexpectedly, it has also drawn the ire of some environmentalists, who love renewable energy but hate the mirrors (or wind farms) that ruin landscapes. In the Mojave they fret about a species of tortoise. Elsewhere they have gone to court for the blunt-nosed leopard lizard and the giant kangaroo rat.</p>
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		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2009/03/27/renewables-land-and-trade-offs/#comment-131410</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jul 2011 14:58:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MORE than 100 days after the earthquake that hit Japan in March, 30,000 survivors still huddle in shelters, politicians have returned to their bickering and Japan Inc to business as usual. Two of Japan’s most prominent entrepreneurs think this is not good enough.

The quake caused a nuclear disaster. So Masayoshi Son, the boss of Softbank, a big mobile operator, believes it is time to rethink Japan’s dependence on nuclear power. He is talking to around 20 prefectures about building ten solar-power plants. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.economist.com/node/18867841&quot; title=&quot;Entrepreneurs in Japan: Something must give &#124; The Economist&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Converting one-fifth of Japan’s unused farmland to solar would generate 50 gigawatts, he says, which is equivalent to the peak output of TEPCO, Japan’s largest electricity firm (and a quasi-monopoly).&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MORE than 100 days after the earthquake that hit Japan in March, 30,000 survivors still huddle in shelters, politicians have returned to their bickering and Japan Inc to business as usual. Two of Japan’s most prominent entrepreneurs think this is not good enough.</p>
<p>The quake caused a nuclear disaster. So Masayoshi Son, the boss of Softbank, a big mobile operator, believes it is time to rethink Japan’s dependence on nuclear power. He is talking to around 20 prefectures about building ten solar-power plants. <a href="http://www.economist.com/node/18867841" title="Entrepreneurs in Japan: Something must give | The Economist" rel="nofollow">Converting one-fifth of Japan’s unused farmland to solar would generate 50 gigawatts, he says, which is equivalent to the peak output of TEPCO, Japan’s largest electricity firm (and a quasi-monopoly).</a></p>
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		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2009/03/27/renewables-land-and-trade-offs/#comment-117163</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 May 2011 15:27:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Low carbon electricity means, to most greens, renewables. They were never well-loved, but now, in the places in which major deployment is taking place, they are provoking something approaching a full-scale revolt. Here in mid-Wales, for example, and in the Highlands of Scotland, public anger towards wind farms and the power lines and hubs required to serve them is coming to dominate local politics. While there are plenty of stupid myths circulating about the inability of wind turbines to produce electricity and about the greenhouse gases released in constructing them, in other respects the opposition to them is not irrational. People love their landscapes, and so they should.

Those of us who support renewables find ourselves in a difficult position: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.monbiot.com/2011/05/05/our-crushing-dilemmas/&quot; title=&quot;George Monbiot &#8211; Our Crushing Dilemmas&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;demanding the industrialisation of the countryside, supporting new power stations, new power lines and (for the electricity storage required) new reservoirs&lt;/a&gt;. Even offshore power, whose landscape impacts are much smaller, means more grid connections and more storage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Low carbon electricity means, to most greens, renewables. They were never well-loved, but now, in the places in which major deployment is taking place, they are provoking something approaching a full-scale revolt. Here in mid-Wales, for example, and in the Highlands of Scotland, public anger towards wind farms and the power lines and hubs required to serve them is coming to dominate local politics. While there are plenty of stupid myths circulating about the inability of wind turbines to produce electricity and about the greenhouse gases released in constructing them, in other respects the opposition to them is not irrational. People love their landscapes, and so they should.</p>
<p>Those of us who support renewables find ourselves in a difficult position: <a href="http://www.monbiot.com/2011/05/05/our-crushing-dilemmas/" title="George Monbiot &ndash; Our Crushing Dilemmas" rel="nofollow">demanding the industrialisation of the countryside, supporting new power stations, new power lines and (for the electricity storage required) new reservoirs</a>. Even offshore power, whose landscape impacts are much smaller, means more grid connections and more storage.</p>
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		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2009/03/27/renewables-land-and-trade-offs/#comment-83455</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:42:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Ethanol&lt;/strong&gt;

&quot;Ethanol is difficult to scale up to become a major gasoline substitute. Ethanol production requires a large amount of corn to produce relatively little gasoline. Ethanol production requires 2.8 bushels of corn per gallon of ethanol. At present, approximately 25% of US grown corn produces 7 billion gallons, or 3.3% of the energy content of gasoline (and only 1.5% of all US finished oil products) consumed in the US. If the entire corn crop was used to produce ethanol, it would only offset 6% of total US oil consumption.&quot;

Downey, Morgan. &lt;em&gt;Oil 101&lt;/em&gt;. p.193 hardcover

&lt;strong&gt;Biodiesel&lt;/strong&gt;

&quot;It takes about 7.3 pounds of soybean oil to produce one gallon of B100 biodiesel. Soybean oil is the most commonly produced oil in the US with approximately 17 billion pounds of soybean oil currently produced each year... If the entire US soybean oil production was diverted to replace middle distillate then it could only replace 13 days of current annual US distillate demand. One has to be realistic, therefore, about the current capacity of soybean oil production and accept that biodiesel is not a realistic alternative for mass scale implementation.&quot;

Downey, Morgan. &lt;em&gt;Oil 101&lt;/em&gt;. p.213-214 hardcover</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Ethanol</strong></p>
<p>&#8220;Ethanol is difficult to scale up to become a major gasoline substitute. Ethanol production requires a large amount of corn to produce relatively little gasoline. Ethanol production requires 2.8 bushels of corn per gallon of ethanol. At present, approximately 25% of US grown corn produces 7 billion gallons, or 3.3% of the energy content of gasoline (and only 1.5% of all US finished oil products) consumed in the US. If the entire corn crop was used to produce ethanol, it would only offset 6% of total US oil consumption.&#8221;</p>
<p>Downey, Morgan. <em>Oil 101</em>. p.193 hardcover</p>
<p><strong>Biodiesel</strong></p>
<p>&#8220;It takes about 7.3 pounds of soybean oil to produce one gallon of B100 biodiesel. Soybean oil is the most commonly produced oil in the US with approximately 17 billion pounds of soybean oil currently produced each year&#8230; If the entire US soybean oil production was diverted to replace middle distillate then it could only replace 13 days of current annual US distillate demand. One has to be realistic, therefore, about the current capacity of soybean oil production and accept that biodiesel is not a realistic alternative for mass scale implementation.&#8221;</p>
<p>Downey, Morgan. <em>Oil 101</em>. p.213-214 hardcover</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 19:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saturday, August 1, 2009

&lt;a href=&quot;http://withouthotair.blogspot.com/2009/08/new-graph-showing-countries-power-per.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;A new graph, showing countries&#039; power per unit area&lt;/a&gt;

Conclusion: All countries whose power consumption per unit area is bigger than 0.1 W/m2 are countries who should expect renewable facilities to occupy a significant intrusive fraction of their country, if they ever want to live on their own renewables. Countries with a power consumption per unit area bigger than 1 W/m2 (eg UK, Germany, Japan, Netherlands, Belgium) would have to industrialize most of their countryside, if they want to live on their own renewables. Alternatively, their options are to radically reduce consumption, use nuclear power, and/or to buy renewable power in from other countries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saturday, August 1, 2009</p>
<p><a href="http://withouthotair.blogspot.com/2009/08/new-graph-showing-countries-power-per.html" rel="nofollow">A new graph, showing countries&#8217; power per unit area</a></p>
<p>Conclusion: All countries whose power consumption per unit area is bigger than 0.1 W/m2 are countries who should expect renewable facilities to occupy a significant intrusive fraction of their country, if they ever want to live on their own renewables. Countries with a power consumption per unit area bigger than 1 W/m2 (eg UK, Germany, Japan, Netherlands, Belgium) would have to industrialize most of their countryside, if they want to live on their own renewables. Alternatively, their options are to radically reduce consumption, use nuclear power, and/or to buy renewable power in from other countries.</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 00:19:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Gorgonio_Pass_Wind_Farm&quot; title=&quot;San Gorgonio Pass Wind Farm - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;San Gorgonio Pass Wind Farm&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:San_gorgonio_pass_wind_farm_california_pano.jpg&quot; title=&quot;File:San gorgonio pass wind farm california pano.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Photo&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Gorgonio_Pass_Wind_Farm" title="San Gorgonio Pass Wind Farm - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" rel="nofollow">San Gorgonio Pass Wind Farm</a></p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:San_gorgonio_pass_wind_farm_california_pano.jpg" title="File:San gorgonio pass wind farm california pano.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" rel="nofollow">Photo</a></p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 22:02:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>North America’s non-solar renewables aren’t enough for North America to live on. But when we include a massive expansion of solar power, there’s enough. So &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/withouthotair/c30/page_235.shtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;North America needs solar in its own deserts, or nuclear power, or both&lt;/a&gt;.

The &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/withouthotair/c30/page_236.shtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;600 km by 600 km square in North America&lt;/a&gt;, completely filled with concentrating solar power, would provide enough power to give 500 million people the average American’s consumption of 250 kWh/d.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>North America’s non-solar renewables aren’t enough for North America to live on. But when we include a massive expansion of solar power, there’s enough. So <a href="http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/withouthotair/c30/page_235.shtml" rel="nofollow">North America needs solar in its own deserts, or nuclear power, or both</a>.</p>
<p>The <a href="http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/withouthotair/c30/page_236.shtml" rel="nofollow">600 km by 600 km square in North America</a>, completely filled with concentrating solar power, would provide enough power to give 500 million people the average American’s consumption of 250 kWh/d.</p>
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		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2009/03/27/renewables-land-and-trade-offs/#comment-75865</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 19:12:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ciw.edu/news/bioelectricity_promises_more_miles_acre_ethanol&quot; title=&quot;Bioelectricity Promises More ‘Miles Per Acre’ Than Ethanol &#124; Carnegie Institution for Science&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Bioelectricity Promises More ‘Miles Per Acre’ Than Ethanol&lt;/a&gt;

THURSDAY, MAY 7, 2009 

STANFORD, CA - Biofuels such as ethanol offer an alternative to petroleum for powering our cars, but growing energy crops to produce them can compete with food crops for farmland, and clearing forests to expand farmland will aggravate the climate change problem. How can we maximize our &quot;miles per acre&quot; from biomass? Researchers writing in the online edition of the May 7 Science magazine say the best bet is to convert the biomass to electricity, rather than ethanol. They calculate that, compared to ethanol used for internal combustion engines, bioelectricity used for battery-powered vehicles would deliver an average of 80% more miles of transportation per acre of crops, while also providing double the greenhouse gas offsets to mitigate climate change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.ciw.edu/news/bioelectricity_promises_more_miles_acre_ethanol" title="Bioelectricity Promises More ‘Miles Per Acre’ Than Ethanol | Carnegie Institution for Science" rel="nofollow">Bioelectricity Promises More ‘Miles Per Acre’ Than Ethanol</a></p>
<p>THURSDAY, MAY 7, 2009 </p>
<p>STANFORD, CA &#8211; Biofuels such as ethanol offer an alternative to petroleum for powering our cars, but growing energy crops to produce them can compete with food crops for farmland, and clearing forests to expand farmland will aggravate the climate change problem. How can we maximize our &#8220;miles per acre&#8221; from biomass? Researchers writing in the online edition of the May 7 Science magazine say the best bet is to convert the biomass to electricity, rather than ethanol. They calculate that, compared to ethanol used for internal combustion engines, bioelectricity used for battery-powered vehicles would deliver an average of 80% more miles of transportation per acre of crops, while also providing double the greenhouse gas offsets to mitigate climate change.</p>
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		<title>By: Milan</title>
		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2009/03/27/renewables-land-and-trade-offs/#comment-72793</link>
		<dc:creator>Milan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 23:44:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See also:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sindark.com/2008/12/12/extreme-environmental-recklessness/&quot; title=&quot;Extreme environmental recklessness&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Extreme environmental recklessness&lt;/a&gt;
December 12, 2008</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See also:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sindark.com/2008/12/12/extreme-environmental-recklessness/" title="Extreme environmental recklessness" rel="nofollow">Extreme environmental recklessness</a><br />
December 12, 2008</p>
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		<title>By: Milan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Milan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 23:39:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s obvious that we are unready. So far, we have done a pretty poor job of acting as stewards of the natural world under our control.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s obvious that we are unready. So far, we have done a pretty poor job of acting as stewards of the natural world under our control.</p>
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		<title>By: Tristan</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 22:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t dispute that we are not &quot;masters of all we survey&quot;. The question is, are we ready? 

Certainly, make kings have become masters of all they survey before they were ready. And it didn&#039;t always end well...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t dispute that we are not &#8220;masters of all we survey&#8221;. The question is, are we ready? </p>
<p>Certainly, make kings have become masters of all they survey before they were ready. And it didn&#8217;t always end well&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Milan</title>
		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2009/03/27/renewables-land-and-trade-offs/#comment-72781</link>
		<dc:creator>Milan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 21:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In a sense, we are already masters of all we survey. We are just negligent &#039;masters&#039; who usually fail to think things through.

As Sarah points out, there are also opportunities for renewable energy with a fairly small footprint. For instance, there is offshore wind and the possibility of adding wind turbines to areas that are productive in other ways (say, agriculturally). Run-of-river hydro probably falls into this category as well. I don&#039;t think the hydro station between my home and work has caused any significant enlargement of the Ottawa River.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a sense, we are already masters of all we survey. We are just negligent &#8216;masters&#8217; who usually fail to think things through.</p>
<p>As Sarah points out, there are also opportunities for renewable energy with a fairly small footprint. For instance, there is offshore wind and the possibility of adding wind turbines to areas that are productive in other ways (say, agriculturally). Run-of-river hydro probably falls into this category as well. I don&#8217;t think the hydro station between my home and work has caused any significant enlargement of the Ottawa River.</p>
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