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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Oct 2010 14:48:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The potential for geothermal projects to cause earthquakes has received a lot of attention in recent years. Most of the concern has been focused on projects known as enhanced geothermal systems, or EGS. There are plenty of underground zones that get scorching hot but remain dry, because the rock there is so dense. Without water to carry that thermal energy to the Earth&#039;s surface, you can&#039;t generate electricity. (Not yet, at least.) In EGS applications, high-pressure water is injected into those impermeable, rocky areas to create a network of small fractures. Pumping surface water into the now-porous rock creates a brand-new hydrothermal reservoir. That fracturing process produces microearthquakes—small tremors that can be detected with a seismometer but generally aren&#039;t felt at the Earth&#039;s surface. To avoid creating more damaging earthquakes, EGS projects must steer clear of active fault lines and monitor seismic activity very closely. In the United States, EGS projects are still in the research and development phase, with none yet online.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The potential for geothermal projects to cause earthquakes has received a lot of attention in recent years. Most of the concern has been focused on projects known as enhanced geothermal systems, or EGS. There are plenty of underground zones that get scorching hot but remain dry, because the rock there is so dense. Without water to carry that thermal energy to the Earth&#8217;s surface, you can&#8217;t generate electricity. (Not yet, at least.) In EGS applications, high-pressure water is injected into those impermeable, rocky areas to create a network of small fractures. Pumping surface water into the now-porous rock creates a brand-new hydrothermal reservoir. That fracturing process produces microearthquakes—small tremors that can be detected with a seismometer but generally aren&#8217;t felt at the Earth&#8217;s surface. To avoid creating more damaging earthquakes, EGS projects must steer clear of active fault lines and monitor seismic activity very closely. In the United States, EGS projects are still in the research and development phase, with none yet online.</p>
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		<title>By: .</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Oct 2010 14:44:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While drilling wells in Yellowstone might not be a great idea, geothermal energy in general is very promising. According to recent life-cycle analyses by Argonne National Laboratory, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.slate.com/id/2271717/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;geothermal power plants emit between 18.7 grams to 103 grams of CO2-equivalent per kilowatt-hour—polite little hiccups compared with the 1,234.9 g/kWh belched out by coal or the 487 g/kWh by natural gas&lt;/a&gt;. (Those figures include building and running the power plants as well as extracting the fuel.) Unlike conventional coal-fired plants, geothermal plants emit very little sulfur dioxide and no nitrogen oxides, which are the precursors of acid rain. And unlike wind or solar power installations, geothermal power doesn&#039;t fluctuate with the weather. Last year, the United States&#039; 77 geothermal power plants produced 15.2 billion kilowatt-hours of electricity, or about 0.4 percent of the U.S. total—more than any other nation in the world. (Wind machines generated 70.8 billion kWh of electricity, and solar 0.8 billion kWh.)

But as with any big industrial project, geothermal energy production also carries some environmental risks. The biggest issues revolve around water. Brackish waters drawn from deep underground are sometimes laced with toxic substances like mercury, so power producers have to be very careful with how they store and dispose it. To cool their working fluid, some geothermal power plants withdraw large amounts of surface water. In areas where fresh water is scarce, these plants may compete with farms and homes that need water for irrigation, bathing, and the like—but that&#039;s a problem for other kinds of power plants, as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While drilling wells in Yellowstone might not be a great idea, geothermal energy in general is very promising. According to recent life-cycle analyses by Argonne National Laboratory, <a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2271717/" rel="nofollow">geothermal power plants emit between 18.7 grams to 103 grams of CO2-equivalent per kilowatt-hour—polite little hiccups compared with the 1,234.9 g/kWh belched out by coal or the 487 g/kWh by natural gas</a>. (Those figures include building and running the power plants as well as extracting the fuel.) Unlike conventional coal-fired plants, geothermal plants emit very little sulfur dioxide and no nitrogen oxides, which are the precursors of acid rain. And unlike wind or solar power installations, geothermal power doesn&#8217;t fluctuate with the weather. Last year, the United States&#8217; 77 geothermal power plants produced 15.2 billion kilowatt-hours of electricity, or about 0.4 percent of the U.S. total—more than any other nation in the world. (Wind machines generated 70.8 billion kWh of electricity, and solar 0.8 billion kWh.)</p>
<p>But as with any big industrial project, geothermal energy production also carries some environmental risks. The biggest issues revolve around water. Brackish waters drawn from deep underground are sometimes laced with toxic substances like mercury, so power producers have to be very careful with how they store and dispose it. To cool their working fluid, some geothermal power plants withdraw large amounts of surface water. In areas where fresh water is scarce, these plants may compete with farms and homes that need water for irrigation, bathing, and the like—but that&#8217;s a problem for other kinds of power plants, as well.</p>
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		<title>By: prometheuspan</title>
		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2009/07/01/artificial-geothermal-and-earthquakes/#comment-79646</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 17:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://issues.ni4d.us/index.php?title=Geothermal_Power_Responsible_Versus_Irresponsible_Technologies

There are several different ways to go about obtaining geothermal energy or drilling Geothermal wells. The only means which I personally advocate is exclusive to other technologies and is in some senses probably somewhat more expensive over the short term. However, the alternatives will prove to be more expensive over the long term, and to have assorted negative consequences. The only good way to do geothermal power is to drill a conventional well using conventional standard drilling technologies, and then to build closed circuit double loop systems. What this means is that firstly, an actual linear well is drilled straight down into the earth, secondly, that the water which is heated to power the system never leaves the piping which contains it, and thirdly, that water is circulated down on one circuit or loop and rises as steam on a second circuit or loop.

The Alternative being now explored is to use water as an explosive, and to drill non linear wells by pumping water into rock. This creates many small fractures or fissures in the rock, rather than a straight down conventional well. It also can cause earthquakes,is prone to the problem of erosion, and is likely to create a geothermal system which cools very quickly, especially when compared to closed circuit double loop. Claims made about such systems that they are closed systems are obviously false, if the water leaves the tubes then there is obviously potential for that water to leave the geothermal system. Another issue to consider is that a closed circuit double loop system never loses water and never loses pressurization. The systems which they are now creating are highly entropic, and while they may for the time being demonstrate properties of a closed system, they are certainly not truly closed.</description>
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<p>There are several different ways to go about obtaining geothermal energy or drilling Geothermal wells. The only means which I personally advocate is exclusive to other technologies and is in some senses probably somewhat more expensive over the short term. However, the alternatives will prove to be more expensive over the long term, and to have assorted negative consequences. The only good way to do geothermal power is to drill a conventional well using conventional standard drilling technologies, and then to build closed circuit double loop systems. What this means is that firstly, an actual linear well is drilled straight down into the earth, secondly, that the water which is heated to power the system never leaves the piping which contains it, and thirdly, that water is circulated down on one circuit or loop and rises as steam on a second circuit or loop.</p>
<p>The Alternative being now explored is to use water as an explosive, and to drill non linear wells by pumping water into rock. This creates many small fractures or fissures in the rock, rather than a straight down conventional well. It also can cause earthquakes,is prone to the problem of erosion, and is likely to create a geothermal system which cools very quickly, especially when compared to closed circuit double loop. Claims made about such systems that they are closed systems are obviously false, if the water leaves the tubes then there is obviously potential for that water to leave the geothermal system. Another issue to consider is that a closed circuit double loop system never loses water and never loses pressurization. The systems which they are now creating are highly entropic, and while they may for the time being demonstrate properties of a closed system, they are certainly not truly closed.</p>
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		<title>By: R.K.</title>
		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2009/07/01/artificial-geothermal-and-earthquakes/#comment-79644</link>
		<dc:creator>R.K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 16:38:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Big dams also cause earthquakes.

So can extracting oil and mining for coal.

There is a good chance CCS will cause some earthquakes, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Big dams also cause earthquakes.</p>
<p>So can extracting oil and mining for coal.</p>
<p>There is a good chance CCS will cause some earthquakes, too.</p>
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