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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2009/07/29/arguments-with-climate-change-deniers/#comment-154553</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2011 17:39:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan Pangburn&#039;s argument, that if you integrate some property of the sunspots (number? energy? I&#039;m not sure and it doesn&#039;t matter) between some point in the past  and now with respect to time, you arrive at the conclusion that the Earth is warming.

Obviously, as the Earth is not a closed system with regards to energy from space, there is no merit to this approach. It is the idea of a teenager who has been exposed to integrals on the first day of Math 101.

Furthermore, he tries to sound as though he is knowledgeable by employing math and science lingo as a version of an appeal to authority argument.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan Pangburn&#8217;s argument, that if you integrate some property of the sunspots (number? energy? I&#8217;m not sure and it doesn&#8217;t matter) between some point in the past  and now with respect to time, you arrive at the conclusion that the Earth is warming.</p>
<p>Obviously, as the Earth is not a closed system with regards to energy from space, there is no merit to this approach. It is the idea of a teenager who has been exposed to integrals on the first day of Math 101.</p>
<p>Furthermore, he tries to sound as though he is knowledgeable by employing math and science lingo as a version of an appeal to authority argument.</p>
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		<title>By: Milan</title>
		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2009/07/29/arguments-with-climate-change-deniers/#comment-154222</link>
		<dc:creator>Milan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2011 01:10:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan Pangburn has also been &lt;a href=&quot;http://greenfyre.wordpress.com/2011/11/08/dan-pangburn/#comment-17584&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;active on Greenfyre&#039;s&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan Pangburn has also been <a href="http://greenfyre.wordpress.com/2011/11/08/dan-pangburn/#comment-17584" rel="nofollow">active on Greenfyre&#8217;s</a>.</p>
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		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2009/07/29/arguments-with-climate-change-deniers/#comment-146578</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Oct 2011 03:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A common argument against global warming is that the climate has always varied. &quot;Temperatures rise sometimes and this is perfectly natural,&quot; is the usual line. However, Svante Björck, a climate researcher at Lund University in Sweden, has now shown that global warming, i.e. simultaneous warming events in the northern and southern hemispheres, have not occurred in the past 20 000 years, which is as far back as it is possible to analyse with sufficient precision to compare with modern developments. Svante Björck&#039;s study thus goes 14 000 years further back in time than previous studies have done. &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://esciencenews.com/articles/2011/10/21/no.simultaneous.warming.northern.and.southern.hemispheres.a.result.climate.change.20000.years&quot; title=&quot;No simultaneous warming of Northern and Southern hemispheres as a result of climate change for 20,000 years &#124; e! Science News&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;What is happening today is unique from a historical geological perspective&lt;/a&gt;,&quot; he says.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A common argument against global warming is that the climate has always varied. &#8220;Temperatures rise sometimes and this is perfectly natural,&#8221; is the usual line. However, Svante Björck, a climate researcher at Lund University in Sweden, has now shown that global warming, i.e. simultaneous warming events in the northern and southern hemispheres, have not occurred in the past 20 000 years, which is as far back as it is possible to analyse with sufficient precision to compare with modern developments. Svante Björck&#8217;s study thus goes 14 000 years further back in time than previous studies have done. &#8220;<a href="http://esciencenews.com/articles/2011/10/21/no.simultaneous.warming.northern.and.southern.hemispheres.a.result.climate.change.20000.years" title="No simultaneous warming of Northern and Southern hemispheres as a result of climate change for 20,000 years | e! Science News" rel="nofollow">What is happening today is unique from a historical geological perspective</a>,&#8221; he says.</p>
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		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2009/07/29/arguments-with-climate-change-deniers/#comment-146441</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Oct 2011 03:16:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Climate change
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.economist.com/node/21533360&quot; title=&quot;Climate change: The heat is on &#124; The Economist&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The heat is on&lt;/a&gt;
A new analysis of the temperature record leaves little room for the doubters. The world is warming

FOR those who question whether global warming is really happening, it is necessary to believe that the instrumental temperature record is wrong. That is a bit easier than you might think.

There are three compilations of mean global temperatures, each one based on readings from thousands of thermometers, kept in weather stations and aboard ships, going back over 150 years. Two are American, provided by NASA and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), one is a collaboration between Britain’s Met Office and the University of East Anglia’s Climate Research Unit (known as Hadley CRU). And all suggest a similar pattern of warming: amounting to about 0.9°C over land in the past half century.

To most scientists, that is consistent with the manifold other indicators of warming—rising sea-levels, melting glaciers, warmer ocean depths and so forth—and convincing. Yet the consistency among the three compilations masks large uncertainties in the raw data on which they are based. Hence the doubts, husbanded by many eager sceptics, about their accuracy. A new study, however, provides further evidence that the numbers are probably about right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Climate change<br />
<a href="http://www.economist.com/node/21533360" title="Climate change: The heat is on | The Economist" rel="nofollow">The heat is on</a><br />
A new analysis of the temperature record leaves little room for the doubters. The world is warming</p>
<p>FOR those who question whether global warming is really happening, it is necessary to believe that the instrumental temperature record is wrong. That is a bit easier than you might think.</p>
<p>There are three compilations of mean global temperatures, each one based on readings from thousands of thermometers, kept in weather stations and aboard ships, going back over 150 years. Two are American, provided by NASA and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), one is a collaboration between Britain’s Met Office and the University of East Anglia’s Climate Research Unit (known as Hadley CRU). And all suggest a similar pattern of warming: amounting to about 0.9°C over land in the past half century.</p>
<p>To most scientists, that is consistent with the manifold other indicators of warming—rising sea-levels, melting glaciers, warmer ocean depths and so forth—and convincing. Yet the consistency among the three compilations masks large uncertainties in the raw data on which they are based. Hence the doubts, husbanded by many eager sceptics, about their accuracy. A new study, however, provides further evidence that the numbers are probably about right.</p>
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		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2009/07/29/arguments-with-climate-change-deniers/#comment-146437</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Oct 2011 03:01:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/oct/20/global-warming-study-climate-sceptics&quot; title=&quot;Global warming study finds no grounds for climate sceptics&#039; concerns &#124; Environment &#124; The Guardian&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The world is getting warmer, countering the doubts of climate change sceptics about the validity of some of the scientific evidence, according to the most comprehensive independent review of historical temperature records to date.&lt;/a&gt;

Scientists at the University of California, Berkeley, found several key issues that sceptics claim can skew global warming figures had no meaningful effect.

The Berkeley Earth project compiled more than a billion temperature records dating back to the 1800s from 15 sources around the world and found that the average global land temperature has risen by around 1C since the mid-1950s.

This figure agrees with the estimate arrived at by major groups that maintain official records on the world&#039;s climate, including Nasa&#039;s Goddard Institute for Space Studies in New York, the US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (Noaa), and the Met Office&#039;s Hadley Centre, with the University of East Anglia, in the UK.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/oct/20/global-warming-study-climate-sceptics" title="Global warming study finds no grounds for climate sceptics' concerns | Environment | The Guardian" rel="nofollow">The world is getting warmer, countering the doubts of climate change sceptics about the validity of some of the scientific evidence, according to the most comprehensive independent review of historical temperature records to date.</a></p>
<p>Scientists at the University of California, Berkeley, found several key issues that sceptics claim can skew global warming figures had no meaningful effect.</p>
<p>The Berkeley Earth project compiled more than a billion temperature records dating back to the 1800s from 15 sources around the world and found that the average global land temperature has risen by around 1C since the mid-1950s.</p>
<p>This figure agrees with the estimate arrived at by major groups that maintain official records on the world&#8217;s climate, including Nasa&#8217;s Goddard Institute for Space Studies in New York, the US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (Noaa), and the Met Office&#8217;s Hadley Centre, with the University of East Anglia, in the UK.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jul 2011 17:04:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Emily Shuckburgh spends much of her time wrapped up against the cold on the far side of the world, measuring atmospheric and ocean eddies for the British Antarctic Survey. But over the past few months she has been rolling up her sleeves and travelling across the UK to confront the public heat over climate change.

With support from Living With Environmental Change, a partnership between government departments and funding agencies, she has run a series of focus groups exploring people&#039;s views on media coverage of science. She endorses projects such as oldweather.org, an attempt to engage the public directly in analysing historical sea temperature data. On secondment to the Department of Energy and Climate Change, she has also been posting videos on YouTube and engaging with &quot;sceptics&quot; via blogs.

&quot;It&#039;s quite clear there has been a breakdown of trust between scientists and the public, and it&#039;s important that we try to articulate more clearly what our processes are,&quot; she says. &quot;I&#039;ve been working hard to find ways to communicate our findings. A lot of climate science is difficult and counter-intuitive. We really have to put more effort into explaining our work and making it understandable and relevant.&quot; &quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Emily Shuckburgh spends much of her time wrapped up against the cold on the far side of the world, measuring atmospheric and ocean eddies for the British Antarctic Survey. But over the past few months she has been rolling up her sleeves and travelling across the UK to confront the public heat over climate change.</p>
<p>With support from Living With Environmental Change, a partnership between government departments and funding agencies, she has run a series of focus groups exploring people&#8217;s views on media coverage of science. She endorses projects such as oldweather.org, an attempt to engage the public directly in analysing historical sea temperature data. On secondment to the Department of Energy and Climate Change, she has also been posting videos on YouTube and engaging with &#8220;sceptics&#8221; via blogs.</p>
<p>&#8220;It&#8217;s quite clear there has been a breakdown of trust between scientists and the public, and it&#8217;s important that we try to articulate more clearly what our processes are,&#8221; she says. &#8220;I&#8217;ve been working hard to find ways to communicate our findings. A lot of climate science is difficult and counter-intuitive. We really have to put more effort into explaining our work and making it understandable and relevant.&#8221; &#8220;</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Apr 2011 02:20:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Prof. Richard Muller of Berkeley, a physicist who has gotten into the climate skeptic game, has been leading the Berkeley Earth Surface Temperature project, an effort partially financed by none other than the Koch foundation. And climate deniers — who claim that researchers at NASA and other groups analyzing climate trends have massaged and distorted the data — had been hoping that the Berkeley project would conclude that global warming is a myth.

Instead, however, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/04/opinion/04krugman.html?_r=1&amp;src=me&amp;ref=general&quot; title=&quot;The Truth About Climate Change, Still Inconvenient - NYTimes.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Professor Muller reported that his group’s preliminary results find a global warming trend “very similar to that reported by the prior groups.”&lt;/a&gt;

The deniers’ response was both predictable and revealing; more on that shortly. But first, let’s talk a bit more about that list of witnesses, which raised the same question I and others have had about a number of committee hearings held since the G.O.P. retook control of the House — namely, where do they find these people?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prof. Richard Muller of Berkeley, a physicist who has gotten into the climate skeptic game, has been leading the Berkeley Earth Surface Temperature project, an effort partially financed by none other than the Koch foundation. And climate deniers — who claim that researchers at NASA and other groups analyzing climate trends have massaged and distorted the data — had been hoping that the Berkeley project would conclude that global warming is a myth.</p>
<p>Instead, however, <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/04/opinion/04krugman.html?_r=1&amp;src=me&amp;ref=general" title="The Truth About Climate Change, Still Inconvenient - NYTimes.com" rel="nofollow">Professor Muller reported that his group’s preliminary results find a global warming trend “very similar to that reported by the prior groups.”</a></p>
<p>The deniers’ response was both predictable and revealing; more on that shortly. But first, let’s talk a bit more about that list of witnesses, which raised the same question I and others have had about a number of committee hearings held since the G.O.P. retook control of the House — namely, where do they find these people?</p>
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		<title>By: Milan</title>
		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2009/07/29/arguments-with-climate-change-deniers/#comment-110159</link>
		<dc:creator>Milan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Feb 2011 02:44:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nationalpost.com/opinion/columnists/urban+legend+climate+change/4256271/story.html&quot; title=&quot;The &#039;urban legend&#039; of climate change&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;This article&lt;/a&gt; really needs someone to write a detailed response:

&quot;It&#039;s laziness. An urban legend,&quot; says Mr. Harris, director of the International Climate Science Coalition, a league of researchers who maintain that the science of climate is copiously unsettled and, therefore, caution against premature policy prescriptions to address it. &quot;You can say thousands of scientists agree, and then you don&#039;t have to get into the actual facts.&quot;

Unfortunately, I am super busy at the moment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.nationalpost.com/opinion/columnists/urban+legend+climate+change/4256271/story.html" title="The 'urban legend' of climate change" rel="nofollow">This article</a> really needs someone to write a detailed response:</p>
<p>&#8220;It&#8217;s laziness. An urban legend,&#8221; says Mr. Harris, director of the International Climate Science Coalition, a league of researchers who maintain that the science of climate is copiously unsettled and, therefore, caution against premature policy prescriptions to address it. &#8220;You can say thousands of scientists agree, and then you don&#8217;t have to get into the actual facts.&#8221;</p>
<p>Unfortunately, I am super busy at the moment.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Sep 2010 21:02:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I had an interesting experience talking to Dyson and Will Happer  at a meeting last year. I was thrilled to talk with Dyson. I have loved his writing since my first mentor in physics handed me Dyson’s  Disturbing The Universe  along with the Feynman lectures when I started working in a big laser lab during high school. Later I enjoyed his papers when I got to field theory.

Dyson’s comments on climate were disappointingly shallow. I said, “Are you concerned about the exaggeration of climate impacts or do you have serious concerns about the science?”

“Both”, he replied. But when I pressed him on the science the only thing he said was that CO2 radiative forcing was logarithmic and complained that nobody knows this or talks about it. It was disappointing to hear such a shallow commentary from such a great man. &lt;a href=&quot;http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/09/17/scientists-react-to-a-nobelists-climate-thoughts/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Everyone who needs to knows that CO2 forcing is (roughly) logarithmic. This science is more than half a century old; it is in any textbook; the I.P.C.C. even as an “official” log forcing function that is widely used in simple policy analysis models.&lt;/a&gt; This science of building good high-resolution radiative transfer codes was nailed by Gilbert Plass and others at the air force geophysics lab in the 1950’s.

If one is going to attack the climate science this is a very odd place to start.

I also talked to Will Happer who testified in Congress, slamming climate science is nonsense. The conversation was much the same. When asked for some specific critique of the science his only answer concerned the saturation of the CO2 spectral lines, yet he seemed to have little or no familiarity with the content of modern (i.e. the last 30+ years) radiative transfer models which treat such line broadening with high accuracy; and, unlike some other components of climate models, this stuff can be well validated from both first principles and experiment (N.B., I built a high accuracy radiometer that flies on the U-2/ER-2 that does this). This critique is closely tied with Dyson’s comment about logarithmic response to CO2. It is likewise trivially without foundation. From Happer, a very smart and creative experimentalist in the same atomic and molecular physics world that I came from, this is embarrassing and disappointing.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I had an interesting experience talking to Dyson and Will Happer  at a meeting last year. I was thrilled to talk with Dyson. I have loved his writing since my first mentor in physics handed me Dyson’s  Disturbing The Universe  along with the Feynman lectures when I started working in a big laser lab during high school. Later I enjoyed his papers when I got to field theory.</p>
<p>Dyson’s comments on climate were disappointingly shallow. I said, “Are you concerned about the exaggeration of climate impacts or do you have serious concerns about the science?”</p>
<p>“Both”, he replied. But when I pressed him on the science the only thing he said was that CO2 radiative forcing was logarithmic and complained that nobody knows this or talks about it. It was disappointing to hear such a shallow commentary from such a great man. <a href="http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/09/17/scientists-react-to-a-nobelists-climate-thoughts/" rel="nofollow">Everyone who needs to knows that CO2 forcing is (roughly) logarithmic. This science is more than half a century old; it is in any textbook; the I.P.C.C. even as an “official” log forcing function that is widely used in simple policy analysis models.</a> This science of building good high-resolution radiative transfer codes was nailed by Gilbert Plass and others at the air force geophysics lab in the 1950’s.</p>
<p>If one is going to attack the climate science this is a very odd place to start.</p>
<p>I also talked to Will Happer who testified in Congress, slamming climate science is nonsense. The conversation was much the same. When asked for some specific critique of the science his only answer concerned the saturation of the CO2 spectral lines, yet he seemed to have little or no familiarity with the content of modern (i.e. the last 30+ years) radiative transfer models which treat such line broadening with high accuracy; and, unlike some other components of climate models, this stuff can be well validated from both first principles and experiment (N.B., I built a high accuracy radiometer that flies on the U-2/ER-2 that does this). This critique is closely tied with Dyson’s comment about logarithmic response to CO2. It is likewise trivially without foundation. From Happer, a very smart and creative experimentalist in the same atomic and molecular physics world that I came from, this is embarrassing and disappointing.&#8221;</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Sep 2010 18:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.desmogblog.com/deutsche-bank-debunks-skeptics-focuses-investment-global-warming-solutions&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Deutsche Bank Debunks Skeptics, Focuses Investment on Global Warming Solutions&lt;/a&gt; 

Deutsche Bank&#039;s Climate Change Advisors released an excellent report this week drawing the “clear conclusion” that “the primary claims of the skeptics do not undermine the assertion that human-made climate change is already happening and is a serious long term threat.” 

The report, “Climate Change: Addressing the Major Skeptic Arguments,” deftly refutes each of the major conspiracy howlers often made by climate skeptics and deniers – that global warming is a hoax, that the globe has been cooling since 1998, that higher temperatures caused by CO2 emissions will be good for people and agriculture, and of course the Climategate nonsense alleging climate scientists are part of a grand conspiracy.

“The claims of conspiracy are not borne out by the facts,” the report states.

The bank’s Climate Change Advisors, working with the Columbia University Climate Center at the Earth Institute, easily debunked each of the denier myths, and noted that extensive scientific studies have confirmed the world is facing a long-term climate threat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.desmogblog.com/deutsche-bank-debunks-skeptics-focuses-investment-global-warming-solutions" rel="nofollow">Deutsche Bank Debunks Skeptics, Focuses Investment on Global Warming Solutions</a> </p>
<p>Deutsche Bank&#8217;s Climate Change Advisors released an excellent report this week drawing the “clear conclusion” that “the primary claims of the skeptics do not undermine the assertion that human-made climate change is already happening and is a serious long term threat.” </p>
<p>The report, “Climate Change: Addressing the Major Skeptic Arguments,” deftly refutes each of the major conspiracy howlers often made by climate skeptics and deniers – that global warming is a hoax, that the globe has been cooling since 1998, that higher temperatures caused by CO2 emissions will be good for people and agriculture, and of course the Climategate nonsense alleging climate scientists are part of a grand conspiracy.</p>
<p>“The claims of conspiracy are not borne out by the facts,” the report states.</p>
<p>The bank’s Climate Change Advisors, working with the Columbia University Climate Center at the Earth Institute, easily debunked each of the denier myths, and noted that extensive scientific studies have confirmed the world is facing a long-term climate threat.</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2010 21:47:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The second recurring “red herring” is the equally absurd claim that scientists are blinded in their quest for research money and so have some conflict-of-interest in climate change research. Again, nothing could be further from the truth. Let’s just review the facts. It is the vast majority of scientists (me included) who argue that the scientific case for climate change has already been made and that it’s now time for action. It is the deniers who argue that not enough is known and more research is needed before action is taken. &lt;a href=&quot;http://queensu.ca/news/alumnireview/folly-denial&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;How can someone like me, who has repeatedly claimed “The science is in, it is time for action” be accused of concluding that greenhouse gases are causing climate warming for the simple reason of generating more research money?&lt;/a&gt; My main work on climate change has been completed. For me, the remaining issues are now largely political and policy related. My role as an environmental scientist is to move on to new problems and issues, while other scientists, engineers, and policy makers determine how best to deal with this serious issue.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The second recurring “red herring” is the equally absurd claim that scientists are blinded in their quest for research money and so have some conflict-of-interest in climate change research. Again, nothing could be further from the truth. Let’s just review the facts. It is the vast majority of scientists (me included) who argue that the scientific case for climate change has already been made and that it’s now time for action. It is the deniers who argue that not enough is known and more research is needed before action is taken. <a href="http://queensu.ca/news/alumnireview/folly-denial" rel="nofollow">How can someone like me, who has repeatedly claimed “The science is in, it is time for action” be accused of concluding that greenhouse gases are causing climate warming for the simple reason of generating more research money?</a> My main work on climate change has been completed. For me, the remaining issues are now largely political and policy related. My role as an environmental scientist is to move on to new problems and issues, while other scientists, engineers, and policy makers determine how best to deal with this serious issue.&#8221;</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Aug 2010 18:01:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I have shown here that in order to discredit the IPCC, Lord Monckton produced his graphs of atmospheric CO2 concentration and global mean temperature anomaly in the following manner:

1. He confused a hypothetical scenario with a prediction.

2. He falsely reported the data from the hypothetical scenario he was confusing with a prediction.

3. He plugged his false data into the wrong equation to obtain false predictions of time-series temperature evolution.

4. He messed up the statistical analyses of the real data.

These errors compound into a rather stunning display of complete incompetence. But since all, or at least nearly all, of this has been pointed out to Monckton in the past, there’s just no scientifically valid excuse for this. He’s just making it up.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I have shown here that in order to discredit the IPCC, Lord Monckton produced his graphs of atmospheric CO2 concentration and global mean temperature anomaly in the following manner:</p>
<p>1. He confused a hypothetical scenario with a prediction.</p>
<p>2. He falsely reported the data from the hypothetical scenario he was confusing with a prediction.</p>
<p>3. He plugged his false data into the wrong equation to obtain false predictions of time-series temperature evolution.</p>
<p>4. He messed up the statistical analyses of the real data.</p>
<p>These errors compound into a rather stunning display of complete incompetence. But since all, or at least nearly all, of this has been pointed out to Monckton in the past, there’s just no scientifically valid excuse for this. He’s just making it up.&#8221;</p>
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