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		<title>By: Why conservatives should love carbon taxes</title>
		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2009/10/26/the-climate-impact-of-pets/#comment-83643</link>
		<dc:creator>Why conservatives should love carbon taxes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:21:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a small car or, terrifying thought, forego automobiles all together. It doesn’t force people to choose small pets, give up flying, or make other specific sacrifices. It also doesn’t rely upon the government [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a small car or, terrifying thought, forego automobiles all together. It doesn’t force people to choose small pets, give up flying, or make other specific sacrifices. It also doesn’t rely upon the government [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Milan</title>
		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2009/10/26/the-climate-impact-of-pets/#comment-83429</link>
		<dc:creator>Milan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 21:13:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can barely see the hedgerow in question &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sindark.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/img_8006.JPG&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;in this photo&lt;/a&gt;. Unfortunately, some climate related books are largely blocking the view.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can barely see the hedgerow in question <a href="http://www.sindark.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/img_8006.JPG" rel="nofollow">in this photo</a>. Unfortunately, some climate related books are largely blocking the view.</p>
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		<title>By: Milan</title>
		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2009/10/26/the-climate-impact-of-pets/#comment-83427</link>
		<dc:creator>Milan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 21:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s even worse for cats. Not only are they not natural vegetarians, they are obviously natural killing machines. They seem to take special delight in planning and executing ambushes, as well as toying with their prey afterwards.

Living in Oxford, there used to be a hedgerow outside my window where cats hid. When birds landed on the lawn, they were swiftly overcome. Oddly, the presence of random feathers everywhere was never an adequare warning for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s even worse for cats. Not only are they not natural vegetarians, they are obviously natural killing machines. They seem to take special delight in planning and executing ambushes, as well as toying with their prey afterwards.</p>
<p>Living in Oxford, there used to be a hedgerow outside my window where cats hid. When birds landed on the lawn, they were swiftly overcome. Oddly, the presence of random feathers everywhere was never an adequare warning for them.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2009/10/26/the-climate-impact-of-pets/#comment-83426</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 20:55:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;I&gt;Though, I think if I had a dog again he or she would be getting vegetarian food options.&lt;/I&gt;

I&#039;m not so sure this is fair to the dog; they are carnivorous animals, much more so than humans. From their teeth, to their digestive tract, to the fact they can even synthesis their own vitamin C (they don&#039;t eat a lot of citrus naturally), they are designed for meat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Though, I think if I had a dog again he or she would be getting vegetarian food options.</i></p>
<p>I&#8217;m not so sure this is fair to the dog; they are carnivorous animals, much more so than humans. From their teeth, to their digestive tract, to the fact they can even synthesis their own vitamin C (they don&#8217;t eat a lot of citrus naturally), they are designed for meat.</p>
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		<title>By: Milan</title>
		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2009/10/26/the-climate-impact-of-pets/#comment-83423</link>
		<dc:creator>Milan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 20:19:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In an ideal world, a carbon tax would reveal these things. As it stands, however, industrial agriculture seems to be one of the groups that will be most successful at convincing politicians to give them special exemptions, so they can keep emitting cheaply.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In an ideal world, a carbon tax would reveal these things. As it stands, however, industrial agriculture seems to be one of the groups that will be most successful at convincing politicians to give them special exemptions, so they can keep emitting cheaply.</p>
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		<title>By: R.K.</title>
		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2009/10/26/the-climate-impact-of-pets/#comment-83410</link>
		<dc:creator>R.K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:31:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The best way to test the relative climate impact of cars and dogs is to impose a carbon tax, wait for it to filter through the economy, and then see how much the prices of both change.

It&#039;s not a perfect method, since other things would be changing at the same time, but it still seems pretty good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The best way to test the relative climate impact of cars and dogs is to impose a carbon tax, wait for it to filter through the economy, and then see how much the prices of both change.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not a perfect method, since other things would be changing at the same time, but it still seems pretty good.</p>
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		<title>By: Milan</title>
		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2009/10/26/the-climate-impact-of-pets/#comment-83397</link>
		<dc:creator>Milan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 02:28:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In both cases, you would need to include land to produce fuels to run your conversion processes: for instance, facilities to make biodiesel or ethanol, as well as farms to make meat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In both cases, you would need to include land to produce fuels to run your conversion processes: for instance, facilities to make biodiesel or ethanol, as well as farms to make meat.</p>
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		<title>By: Milan</title>
		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2009/10/26/the-climate-impact-of-pets/#comment-83396</link>
		<dc:creator>Milan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 02:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you want to go it by land area, the fairest comparison would probably be this:

For the car, the amount of land it would take to grow enough biomass to produce the liquid fuel to run it.

For the dog, the amount of land to grow the plants to feed to the animals that the dog eats.

I am not sure if that is the methodology those running the study used. Both are effectively about sunlight, and energy return on investment when converting primary products (plants) into final fuels (meat or liquid fuel).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you want to go it by land area, the fairest comparison would probably be this:</p>
<p>For the car, the amount of land it would take to grow enough biomass to produce the liquid fuel to run it.</p>
<p>For the dog, the amount of land to grow the plants to feed to the animals that the dog eats.</p>
<p>I am not sure if that is the methodology those running the study used. Both are effectively about sunlight, and energy return on investment when converting primary products (plants) into final fuels (meat or liquid fuel).</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 23:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;How much they exhale doesn’t really matter, since it was biomass before and presumably will be again soon.&lt;/i&gt;

I guess this is fair, because the amount they exhale will be taken out of the atmosphere in next years crop.

Still, regarding how much energy could be produced by an amount of land, how is this figured out? Presumably to use the land to fuel a Land Cruiser, one would have to make biodiesel. In growing the feedstock for biodiesel, there would be a significant energy input, as well. How much land would be needed to produce fuel for the SUV, as well as for the farm machinery that farms the feedstock in the first place?

If this isn&#039;t the method they used to compare cats and cars, is it more hypothetical? For instance, is it something like &quot;an equivalent of 55 gigajoules of sunlight (the energy it take to run a Land Cruiser) falls on 0.41ha of land a year,&quot; disregarding the fact said vehicle doesn&#039;t run on sunlight?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>How much they exhale doesn’t really matter, since it was biomass before and presumably will be again soon.</i></p>
<p>I guess this is fair, because the amount they exhale will be taken out of the atmosphere in next years crop.</p>
<p>Still, regarding how much energy could be produced by an amount of land, how is this figured out? Presumably to use the land to fuel a Land Cruiser, one would have to make biodiesel. In growing the feedstock for biodiesel, there would be a significant energy input, as well. How much land would be needed to produce fuel for the SUV, as well as for the farm machinery that farms the feedstock in the first place?</p>
<p>If this isn&#8217;t the method they used to compare cats and cars, is it more hypothetical? For instance, is it something like &#8220;an equivalent of 55 gigajoules of sunlight (the energy it take to run a Land Cruiser) falls on 0.41ha of land a year,&#8221; disregarding the fact said vehicle doesn&#8217;t run on sunlight?</p>
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		<title>By: Milan</title>
		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2009/10/26/the-climate-impact-of-pets/#comment-83391</link>
		<dc:creator>Milan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 22:29:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Does a dog, and the chickens that feed it, exhale more CO2 that an SUV?&lt;/em&gt;

How much they exhale doesn&#039;t really matter, since it was biomass before and presumably will be again soon. What matters is the fossil fuel inputs to agriculture: natural gas for fertilizer, oil for machinery, energy for refrigeration, etc.

Not having to try and sort all this stuff out is one good argument in favour of a carbon tax imposed at the highest possible level (such as where hydrocarbons are produced and imported). From there, the costs would flow appropriately through the economy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Does a dog, and the chickens that feed it, exhale more CO2 that an SUV?</em></p>
<p>How much they exhale doesn&#8217;t really matter, since it was biomass before and presumably will be again soon. What matters is the fossil fuel inputs to agriculture: natural gas for fertilizer, oil for machinery, energy for refrigeration, etc.</p>
<p>Not having to try and sort all this stuff out is one good argument in favour of a carbon tax imposed at the highest possible level (such as where hydrocarbons are produced and imported). From there, the costs would flow appropriately through the economy.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2009/10/26/the-climate-impact-of-pets/#comment-83390</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 22:22:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to know more about the claim  &quot;One hectare of land can produce 135 gigajoules a year &quot;It takes 43.3 square metres of land to produce 1kg of chicken a year. &quot;

A hectare of land can produce that much energy in what capacity? Liquid fuel that could drive the aforementioned Toyota Land Cruiser?

In thinking about this issue more, I&#039;m becoming a bit skeptical of it. Which isn&#039;t to say that I don&#039;t believe pets have an impact, just that I find it hard to believe a dog is more than a Land Cruiser. Also, we&#039;re talking in units of energy, not in units of CO2... Does a dog, and the chickens that feed it, exhale more CO2 that an SUV?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to know more about the claim  &#8220;One hectare of land can produce 135 gigajoules a year &#8220;It takes 43.3 square metres of land to produce 1kg of chicken a year. &#8221;</p>
<p>A hectare of land can produce that much energy in what capacity? Liquid fuel that could drive the aforementioned Toyota Land Cruiser?</p>
<p>In thinking about this issue more, I&#8217;m becoming a bit skeptical of it. Which isn&#8217;t to say that I don&#8217;t believe pets have an impact, just that I find it hard to believe a dog is more than a Land Cruiser. Also, we&#8217;re talking in units of energy, not in units of CO2&#8230; Does a dog, and the chickens that feed it, exhale more CO2 that an SUV?</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 21:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20427311.600-how-green-is-your-pet.html?page=1

&quot;SHOULD owning a great dane make you as much of an eco-outcast as an SUV driver? Yes it should, say Robert and Brenda Vale, two architects who specialise in sustainable living at Victoria University of Wellington in New Zealand. In their new book, Time to Eat the Dog: The real guide to sustainable living, they compare the ecological footprints of a menagerie of popular pets with those of various other lifestyle choices - and the critters do not fare well.&quot;</description>
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<p>&#8220;SHOULD owning a great dane make you as much of an eco-outcast as an SUV driver? Yes it should, say Robert and Brenda Vale, two architects who specialise in sustainable living at Victoria University of Wellington in New Zealand. In their new book, Time to Eat the Dog: The real guide to sustainable living, they compare the ecological footprints of a menagerie of popular pets with those of various other lifestyle choices &#8211; and the critters do not fare well.&#8221;</p>
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