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	<title>Comments on: Music economics</title>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2009/11/13/music-economics/#comment-83782</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 00:22:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the music industry swung way too far in the direction of generating income from recordings that are highly edited and manipulated to the point that the artists are incapable of reproducing the same sound in live shows. I can think of at least two bands that are significantly better live than recorded, and I think current trends will benefit good live bands at the expense of the record companies and &#039;artists&#039; like Britney Spears. The way I see it, the value of music is in entertaining someone enough that they&#039;re willing to pay the price you charge, and the mainstream record industry is demonstrably failing at that. It seems fewer and fewer people are prepared to pay for over-priced albums that they don&#039;t yet know whether they will like, but they are prepared to pay a lot more than the cost of an album to see a band whose music they already know. Personally, I&#039;m broadly in favour of artists taking more control of their careers and having a more direct relationship to their revenue stream, which is why I make a point of buying music that is self-produced by local and independent artists - &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cdbaby.com/&quot; title=&quot;CD Baby&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; is a great place to do this. I have some sympathy for the idea that artists deserve to profit from their work for some years after making it, particularly since it would be near impossible to rely on touring for income if one had young kids, so I would support IP rights for artists if they expire within 20-30 years at the most and the punishments against filesharers were proportionate (e.g. a fine of a few times the cost of the &#039;stolen&#039; items).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the music industry swung way too far in the direction of generating income from recordings that are highly edited and manipulated to the point that the artists are incapable of reproducing the same sound in live shows. I can think of at least two bands that are significantly better live than recorded, and I think current trends will benefit good live bands at the expense of the record companies and &#8216;artists&#8217; like Britney Spears. The way I see it, the value of music is in entertaining someone enough that they&#8217;re willing to pay the price you charge, and the mainstream record industry is demonstrably failing at that. It seems fewer and fewer people are prepared to pay for over-priced albums that they don&#8217;t yet know whether they will like, but they are prepared to pay a lot more than the cost of an album to see a band whose music they already know. Personally, I&#8217;m broadly in favour of artists taking more control of their careers and having a more direct relationship to their revenue stream, which is why I make a point of buying music that is self-produced by local and independent artists &#8211; <a href="http://www.cdbaby.com/" title="CD Baby" rel="nofollow"> is a great place to do this. I have some sympathy for the idea that artists deserve to profit from their work for some years after making it, particularly since it would be near impossible to rely on touring for income if one had young kids, so I would support IP rights for artists if they expire within 20-30 years at the most and the punishments against filesharers were proportionate (e.g. a fine of a few times the cost of the &#8216;stolen&#8217; items).</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tristan</title>
		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2009/11/13/music-economics/#comment-83778</link>
		<dc:creator>Tristan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 22:20:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;That said, there is a case to be made that music that produces a steady stream of enjoyment should produce a stream of revenue for the people who made it.&quot;

What is the case? You&#039;ve simply asserted intellectual property rights - but the &quot;existence&quot; of intellectual property rights is traditionally based on the need of recompense for the sake of creative activity. Said more simply: we promise rights to future revenue to encourage production of intellectual material. If such promise is not required for that materials production, there is no longer any reason for the promise. 

The fact I made something doesn&#039;t mean I have a right to charge other people to see it. Rather, for me to have a right to charge other people for me to see it, I need to prove that such a right is required for me to make it in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;That said, there is a case to be made that music that produces a steady stream of enjoyment should produce a stream of revenue for the people who made it.&#8221;</p>
<p>What is the case? You&#8217;ve simply asserted intellectual property rights &#8211; but the &#8220;existence&#8221; of intellectual property rights is traditionally based on the need of recompense for the sake of creative activity. Said more simply: we promise rights to future revenue to encourage production of intellectual material. If such promise is not required for that materials production, there is no longer any reason for the promise. </p>
<p>The fact I made something doesn&#8217;t mean I have a right to charge other people to see it. Rather, for me to have a right to charge other people for me to see it, I need to prove that such a right is required for me to make it in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: BuddyRich</title>
		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2009/11/13/music-economics/#comment-83777</link>
		<dc:creator>BuddyRich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 17:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the record companies that can actually provide a useful service to artists will survive.  Though often times they don&#039;t act like it, they are nothing more than glorified middle men, who are being squeezed out on both ends of what they traditionally do.  That being recording music for artists and then promoting and distributing that music to end retail channels.

In very rare cases do middle men exert such pressure (Walmart perhaps being an exception).  Specifically with the rise of the internet and home technology, you can record your own music at home, promote yourself to a wide audience cheaply and sell directly to consumers via the internet.  That doesn&#039;t leave much left for the record companies to do, not at the percentages they traditionally command for their services.  Maybe certain companies could specialize in promotion of artists, while others could specialize in studios, sound engineers, etc. to help artists create great sounding music but I think these older record companies will have to reinvent themselves to survive.

To a certain extent, you can see that is what is happening, only with a new player, the concert promoter Live Nation, signing a few big acts to be their middle man for the live tour, merchandising, etc.including future album rights.  Some artists are giving away what is normally their money maker.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the record companies that can actually provide a useful service to artists will survive.  Though often times they don&#8217;t act like it, they are nothing more than glorified middle men, who are being squeezed out on both ends of what they traditionally do.  That being recording music for artists and then promoting and distributing that music to end retail channels.</p>
<p>In very rare cases do middle men exert such pressure (Walmart perhaps being an exception).  Specifically with the rise of the internet and home technology, you can record your own music at home, promote yourself to a wide audience cheaply and sell directly to consumers via the internet.  That doesn&#8217;t leave much left for the record companies to do, not at the percentages they traditionally command for their services.  Maybe certain companies could specialize in promotion of artists, while others could specialize in studios, sound engineers, etc. to help artists create great sounding music but I think these older record companies will have to reinvent themselves to survive.</p>
<p>To a certain extent, you can see that is what is happening, only with a new player, the concert promoter Live Nation, signing a few big acts to be their middle man for the live tour, merchandising, etc.including future album rights.  Some artists are giving away what is normally their money maker.</p>
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