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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2011 18:11:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.grist.org/climate-change/2011-11-14-not-on-our-planet-forget-nimbys-pipeline-opponents-are-noops&quot; title=&quot;Not On Our Planet: Forget NIMBYs&#8212;pipeline opponents are NOOPs &#124; Grist&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Not On Our Planet: Forget NIMBYs—pipeline opponents are NOOPs&lt;/a&gt;

by Bill McKibben 

My very favorite piece of punditry about the Keystone XL pipeline appeared the day after President Obama sent it back for more review, perhaps killing it off altogether.

It came from the pen of a senior fellow of the Council on Foreign Relations named Michael Levi, who had spent the last few months endlessly opining about why the pipeline should be approved. Proven conclusively wrong, his sour-grapes op-ed explained that, in fact, environmentalists had damaged the cause of clean energy because they’d joined with Nebraska ranchers &quot;who simply did not want a pipeline running through their backyards&quot; to defeat the plan. By embracing such NIMBYism, he lamented, we’d made it easier to block transmission lines from solar power plants in the desert and other green infrastructure.

The argument is absurd on its face -- one should embrace the dirtiest energy on the planet so that someday down the road we’ll be able to build some green stuff? It’s like saying you should guzzle bacon grease for breakfast to make sure your throat is open so you can eat sprouts for lunch. But more importantly, it’s a slur on the people who fought this fight, in Nebraska and elsewhere -- it imagines that people out there beyond the Council on Foreign Relations are somehow unable to think generously about the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.grist.org/climate-change/2011-11-14-not-on-our-planet-forget-nimbys-pipeline-opponents-are-noops" title="Not On Our Planet: Forget NIMBYs&#8212;pipeline opponents are NOOPs | Grist" rel="nofollow">Not On Our Planet: Forget NIMBYs—pipeline opponents are NOOPs</a></p>
<p>by Bill McKibben </p>
<p>My very favorite piece of punditry about the Keystone XL pipeline appeared the day after President Obama sent it back for more review, perhaps killing it off altogether.</p>
<p>It came from the pen of a senior fellow of the Council on Foreign Relations named Michael Levi, who had spent the last few months endlessly opining about why the pipeline should be approved. Proven conclusively wrong, his sour-grapes op-ed explained that, in fact, environmentalists had damaged the cause of clean energy because they’d joined with Nebraska ranchers &#8220;who simply did not want a pipeline running through their backyards&#8221; to defeat the plan. By embracing such NIMBYism, he lamented, we’d made it easier to block transmission lines from solar power plants in the desert and other green infrastructure.</p>
<p>The argument is absurd on its face &#8212; one should embrace the dirtiest energy on the planet so that someday down the road we’ll be able to build some green stuff? It’s like saying you should guzzle bacon grease for breakfast to make sure your throat is open so you can eat sprouts for lunch. But more importantly, it’s a slur on the people who fought this fight, in Nebraska and elsewhere &#8212; it imagines that people out there beyond the Council on Foreign Relations are somehow unable to think generously about the world.</p>
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		<title>By: Ontario and offshore wind</title>
		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2009/11/25/wind-farms-and-nimby-syndrome/#comment-110725</link>
		<dc:creator>Ontario and offshore wind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Feb 2011 23:17:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] like the least of their worries, and actually a contribution to solving their troubles. Of course, NIMBY forces are strong, and politicians are thinking about [...]</description>
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		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2009/11/25/wind-farms-and-nimby-syndrome/#comment-110615</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Feb 2011 23:21:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When not-in-my-backyard groups fight to kill a garbage dump or a gravel pit, it is at least possible to see where they are coming from. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/toronto/marcus-gee/windmill-foes-are-full-of-hot-air/article1907142/&quot; title=&quot;Windmill foes are full of hot air - The Globe and Mail&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;When they kill something like an offshore wind farm, designed expressly to help the environment, things are getting weird.&lt;/a&gt;

Last week, the government of Ontario quietly announced it was placing a moratorium on building wind farms in the Great Lakes. Well-organized residents groups have campaigned tirelessly against the idea. The transparently political decision, taken just months before a provincial election, douses Toronto Hydro’s hopes of erecting a complex of wind turbines off the Scarborough Bluffs.

...

The fact is that windmills are a safe and clean way of generating electricity (though whether they are a cost-effective way is another question). A number of studies have debunked the idea that they harm human health. Last year Ontario’s Chief Medical Officer of Health found that, although some people near windmills complain of headaches or insomnia, the scientific evidence does not show a link “between wind turbine noise and adverse health effects.” An Australian-government study last July came to the same conclusion: “There are no direct pathological effects from wind farms.”

Offshore wind farms have been running for 20 years in Europe, which has 39 of them from Belgium to Denmark to Britain. Studies have shown minimal effects on bird and marine life.

If no one has studied whether wind farms might pollute the water of freshwater lakes, it may be because the idea is plain silly. Wind turbines, like piers, are usually built on piles driven into the lake bed. After that, they just sit there spinning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When not-in-my-backyard groups fight to kill a garbage dump or a gravel pit, it is at least possible to see where they are coming from. <a href="http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/toronto/marcus-gee/windmill-foes-are-full-of-hot-air/article1907142/" title="Windmill foes are full of hot air - The Globe and Mail" rel="nofollow">When they kill something like an offshore wind farm, designed expressly to help the environment, things are getting weird.</a></p>
<p>Last week, the government of Ontario quietly announced it was placing a moratorium on building wind farms in the Great Lakes. Well-organized residents groups have campaigned tirelessly against the idea. The transparently political decision, taken just months before a provincial election, douses Toronto Hydro’s hopes of erecting a complex of wind turbines off the Scarborough Bluffs.</p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<p>The fact is that windmills are a safe and clean way of generating electricity (though whether they are a cost-effective way is another question). A number of studies have debunked the idea that they harm human health. Last year Ontario’s Chief Medical Officer of Health found that, although some people near windmills complain of headaches or insomnia, the scientific evidence does not show a link “between wind turbine noise and adverse health effects.” An Australian-government study last July came to the same conclusion: “There are no direct pathological effects from wind farms.”</p>
<p>Offshore wind farms have been running for 20 years in Europe, which has 39 of them from Belgium to Denmark to Britain. Studies have shown minimal effects on bird and marine life.</p>
<p>If no one has studied whether wind farms might pollute the water of freshwater lakes, it may be because the idea is plain silly. Wind turbines, like piers, are usually built on piles driven into the lake bed. After that, they just sit there spinning.</p>
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		<title>By: .</title>
		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2009/11/25/wind-farms-and-nimby-syndrome/#comment-99139</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Oct 2010 14:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-11569466&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&#039;Rise in Scots wind farm support&#039;&lt;/a&gt;

More than three quarters of Scots support the development of wind farms, research commissioned by the renewable energy industry has suggested.

Scottish Renewables said its survey showed support for wind farms had risen from 73% five years ago to 78% now.

The YouGov poll also said 52% disagreed with the statement wind developments are &quot;ugly and a blot on the landscape&quot;.

The Scottish government has said it wants 80% of electricity provided by renewables by 2020.

A total of 59% of the 1,000 people surveyed agreed that wind farms were necessary for producing renewable energy and what they looked like was unimportant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-11569466" rel="nofollow">&#8216;Rise in Scots wind farm support&#8217;</a></p>
<p>More than three quarters of Scots support the development of wind farms, research commissioned by the renewable energy industry has suggested.</p>
<p>Scottish Renewables said its survey showed support for wind farms had risen from 73% five years ago to 78% now.</p>
<p>The YouGov poll also said 52% disagreed with the statement wind developments are &#8220;ugly and a blot on the landscape&#8221;.</p>
<p>The Scottish government has said it wants 80% of electricity provided by renewables by 2020.</p>
<p>A total of 59% of the 1,000 people surveyed agreed that wind farms were necessary for producing renewable energy and what they looked like was unimportant.</p>
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		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2009/11/25/wind-farms-and-nimby-syndrome/#comment-96587</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 15:31:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-11215774&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Huge growth at largest wind farm&lt;/a&gt;

A massive expansion is to take place at Europe&#039;s largest onshore wind farm, which is situated in East Renfrewshire.

ScottishPower Renewables is to add another 75 turbines to Whitelee wind farm on Eaglesham Moor by 2012.

This will bring the number of turbines on site to 215 - raising electricity generating capacity by two thirds.

The 140 turbines currently at the wind farm, to the south of Glasgow, can produce enough electricity to power 180,000 homes.

The expansion will see its generating capacity increase from 322MW to 539MW - enough to power about 300,000 homes.

Since the site began producing electricity in 2008, ScottishPower Renewables has secured further planning consent - in May and December 2009 - to expand.

The growth will see 69 Alstom ECO 100 turbines added, each with a 3MW capacity - greater than the current 2MW models.

Six ECO 74 turbines with 1.67 MW capacity each will also be added.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-11215774" rel="nofollow">Huge growth at largest wind farm</a></p>
<p>A massive expansion is to take place at Europe&#8217;s largest onshore wind farm, which is situated in East Renfrewshire.</p>
<p>ScottishPower Renewables is to add another 75 turbines to Whitelee wind farm on Eaglesham Moor by 2012.</p>
<p>This will bring the number of turbines on site to 215 &#8211; raising electricity generating capacity by two thirds.</p>
<p>The 140 turbines currently at the wind farm, to the south of Glasgow, can produce enough electricity to power 180,000 homes.</p>
<p>The expansion will see its generating capacity increase from 322MW to 539MW &#8211; enough to power about 300,000 homes.</p>
<p>Since the site began producing electricity in 2008, ScottishPower Renewables has secured further planning consent &#8211; in May and December 2009 &#8211; to expand.</p>
<p>The growth will see 69 Alstom ECO 100 turbines added, each with a 3MW capacity &#8211; greater than the current 2MW models.</p>
<p>Six ECO 74 turbines with 1.67 MW capacity each will also be added.</p>
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		<title>By: .</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 14:58:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wind energy and politics
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.economist.com/node/16846774?story_id=16846774&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Not on my beach, please&lt;/a&gt;
Across the world, wind technology produces as much political heat as electric light—stirring local arguments as well as global ones

Aug 19th 2010 &#124; Athens, Hyannis and sydney 

“OF COURSE I’m all in favour of clean energy, especially wind power, but…” That is a familiar opening gambit in a new sort of political storm, raging ever more fiercely in corners of the world where electric power comes, or may soon come, from flashing blades rather than blazing furnaces.

The odd thing about conflicts over wind is that, usually, each side claims to be greener than the other. Opponents say a unique landscape or seascape is being overshadowed, to the detriment of tourists and residents alike. Wind power does undoubtedly pose some hazard to birds and other fauna; some say it harms humans. Others simply find wind turbines ugly, an eyesore in any location. Yet, compared with other power sources, the green credentials of wind are pretty convincing: it creates no waste, uses no water and (unlike solar panels) doesn’t need much room. 

...

Tempers run extra-high when the locations are glamorous and global celebrities are involved. Take Robert Kennedy junior, an environmental lawyer who helped to clean up New York’s Hudson River. He has been part of a campaign to stop a $1 billion sea-based project, called Cape Wind, that was approved by the Obama administration in April. If it proceeds, it will be America’s first offshore wind park, with an impressive capacity of 468 megawatts. The country has been a leader in land-based turbines but lags behind China and Europe in sea-based efforts. Among its many benefits, the park would meet the electricity needs of a gorgeous strip of coast where Kennedys and other grand folk have been summering for several generations. But it is a blessing those blazer-wearing, bourbon-sipping vacationers could do without. 

...

On a recent August day in Hyannis, the mood seemed carefree as tourists tucked into fish lunches or boarded ships for the islands. But in the naysayers’ view, it is precisely these idyllic scenes that are under threat from machines that may cover an area the size of Manhattan and be taller (at 134 metres) than the Statue of Liberty. “It would be like industrialising the Sound,” says Audra Parker, head of the Alliance to Protect Nantucket Sound, a protest group.

A study by the Beacon Hill Institute, a free-market think-tank associated with Boston’s Suffolk University, lists a sharp drop in tourist spending among the economic costs the project would impose; it would not be viable at all without a vast subsidy from state and federal taxpayers, the report argues. But Mr Salazar insists that the Cape Wind project is not only desirable in itself, but a precursor to other wind parks on America’s Atlantic coast, which has up to 1m megawatts of capacity. 

...

But the Australian National Health and Medical Research Council, which advises the federal government, thinks otherwise. In a report published in July &lt;strong&gt;it concluded there was no scientific evidence to suggest that noise, flickering shadows or glinting blades made people sick&lt;/strong&gt;. It found that a wind farm with ten turbines made much less din than an office; in fact, only about the level that might be found in a quiet bedroom, or in a rural area at night. Britain’s National Health Service agrees: having studied the available research, it finds no proof of harm from turbines.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wind energy and politics<br />
<a href="http://www.economist.com/node/16846774?story_id=16846774" rel="nofollow">Not on my beach, please</a><br />
Across the world, wind technology produces as much political heat as electric light—stirring local arguments as well as global ones</p>
<p>Aug 19th 2010 | Athens, Hyannis and sydney </p>
<p>“OF COURSE I’m all in favour of clean energy, especially wind power, but…” That is a familiar opening gambit in a new sort of political storm, raging ever more fiercely in corners of the world where electric power comes, or may soon come, from flashing blades rather than blazing furnaces.</p>
<p>The odd thing about conflicts over wind is that, usually, each side claims to be greener than the other. Opponents say a unique landscape or seascape is being overshadowed, to the detriment of tourists and residents alike. Wind power does undoubtedly pose some hazard to birds and other fauna; some say it harms humans. Others simply find wind turbines ugly, an eyesore in any location. Yet, compared with other power sources, the green credentials of wind are pretty convincing: it creates no waste, uses no water and (unlike solar panels) doesn’t need much room. </p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<p>Tempers run extra-high when the locations are glamorous and global celebrities are involved. Take Robert Kennedy junior, an environmental lawyer who helped to clean up New York’s Hudson River. He has been part of a campaign to stop a $1 billion sea-based project, called Cape Wind, that was approved by the Obama administration in April. If it proceeds, it will be America’s first offshore wind park, with an impressive capacity of 468 megawatts. The country has been a leader in land-based turbines but lags behind China and Europe in sea-based efforts. Among its many benefits, the park would meet the electricity needs of a gorgeous strip of coast where Kennedys and other grand folk have been summering for several generations. But it is a blessing those blazer-wearing, bourbon-sipping vacationers could do without. </p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<p>On a recent August day in Hyannis, the mood seemed carefree as tourists tucked into fish lunches or boarded ships for the islands. But in the naysayers’ view, it is precisely these idyllic scenes that are under threat from machines that may cover an area the size of Manhattan and be taller (at 134 metres) than the Statue of Liberty. “It would be like industrialising the Sound,” says Audra Parker, head of the Alliance to Protect Nantucket Sound, a protest group.</p>
<p>A study by the Beacon Hill Institute, a free-market think-tank associated with Boston’s Suffolk University, lists a sharp drop in tourist spending among the economic costs the project would impose; it would not be viable at all without a vast subsidy from state and federal taxpayers, the report argues. But Mr Salazar insists that the Cape Wind project is not only desirable in itself, but a precursor to other wind parks on America’s Atlantic coast, which has up to 1m megawatts of capacity. </p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<p>But the Australian National Health and Medical Research Council, which advises the federal government, thinks otherwise. In a report published in July <strong>it concluded there was no scientific evidence to suggest that noise, flickering shadows or glinting blades made people sick</strong>. It found that a wind farm with ten turbines made much less din than an office; in fact, only about the level that might be found in a quiet bedroom, or in a rural area at night. Britain’s National Health Service agrees: having studied the available research, it finds no proof of harm from turbines.</p>
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		<title>By: Milan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Milan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 21:04:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apparently, that is also why Canon&#039;s telephoto lenses are off-white - it reduces thermal expansion that would otherwise worsen the optics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently, that is also why Canon&#8217;s telephoto lenses are off-white &#8211; it reduces thermal expansion that would otherwise worsen the optics.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2009/11/25/wind-farms-and-nimby-syndrome/#comment-88341</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 20:56:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;I&gt;Can they make turbines grayer and still visible to birds?&lt;/I&gt;

Being white allows them to reflect a lot of heat they&#039;d otherwise absorb. Plastic/fibre composite structures don&#039;t tolerate heat well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Can they make turbines grayer and still visible to birds?</i></p>
<p>Being white allows them to reflect a lot of heat they&#8217;d otherwise absorb. Plastic/fibre composite structures don&#8217;t tolerate heat well.</p>
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		<title>By: Milan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Milan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 20:49:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is nothing natural about the landscapes we already inhabit. Just look at massive deforestation in Europe and North America, the redirection and damming of rivers, the extermination of species, etc.

Wind turbines are not such ugly or intrusive things, and as a source of power they have both a lot of potential and a generally benign character.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is nothing natural about the landscapes we already inhabit. Just look at massive deforestation in Europe and North America, the redirection and damming of rivers, the extermination of species, etc.</p>
<p>Wind turbines are not such ugly or intrusive things, and as a source of power they have both a lot of potential and a generally benign character.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 20:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m tired of all the &quot;yes, but...&quot; responses to this blighting of the landscape. It DOES matter to people who actually have souls.

I think people who say &quot;turbines are beautiful&quot; are akin to robots. Probably engineers in many cases, who get off on &quot;improving&quot; nature to make a living. I wonder if these are kids who grew up on video games and think the whole world is a virtual model anyhow? They&#039;ve forgotten their true origins and aesthetic values.

Being able to sit on a porch and observe a calm, natural-looking sunset is a big must for many people. Or, climbing a mountain and not having to look down on white skeletal &quot;trees&quot; like a permanent fire-scarred landscape. From the top of Mt. Diablo in California, the view is distinctly marred by wind farms to the north and south. Other structures blend in much better with the surroundings and are partly masked by trees due to their low profile. Most home roofs are dark, not stark white like turbines; there&#039;s a big visual factor in that alone. Can they make turbines grayer and still visible to birds?

Man-made structures themselves are blighted and overpowered by turbines. Read about the controversy near France&#039;s Mont Saint Michel, as one example. The historic character of many places is lost when their visual surroundings are industrialized. Tourism and historical interests take a big hit where turbines are installed.

What&#039;s the point of energy if the quality of life we ostensibly enjoy (from that energy) is lost? It reminds me of these Dylan lyrics: &quot;...who despise their jobs, their destiny...do what they do just to be nothing more than something they invest in.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m tired of all the &#8220;yes, but&#8230;&#8221; responses to this blighting of the landscape. It DOES matter to people who actually have souls.</p>
<p>I think people who say &#8220;turbines are beautiful&#8221; are akin to robots. Probably engineers in many cases, who get off on &#8220;improving&#8221; nature to make a living. I wonder if these are kids who grew up on video games and think the whole world is a virtual model anyhow? They&#8217;ve forgotten their true origins and aesthetic values.</p>
<p>Being able to sit on a porch and observe a calm, natural-looking sunset is a big must for many people. Or, climbing a mountain and not having to look down on white skeletal &#8220;trees&#8221; like a permanent fire-scarred landscape. From the top of Mt. Diablo in California, the view is distinctly marred by wind farms to the north and south. Other structures blend in much better with the surroundings and are partly masked by trees due to their low profile. Most home roofs are dark, not stark white like turbines; there&#8217;s a big visual factor in that alone. Can they make turbines grayer and still visible to birds?</p>
<p>Man-made structures themselves are blighted and overpowered by turbines. Read about the controversy near France&#8217;s Mont Saint Michel, as one example. The historic character of many places is lost when their visual surroundings are industrialized. Tourism and historical interests take a big hit where turbines are installed.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s the point of energy if the quality of life we ostensibly enjoy (from that energy) is lost? It reminds me of these Dylan lyrics: &#8220;&#8230;who despise their jobs, their destiny&#8230;do what they do just to be nothing more than something they invest in.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Milan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Milan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 20:02:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The other day, I saw and joined an amusingly titled but sensible Facebook group: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=134195525461&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Put a windfarm in my backyard if you like, because I&#039;m not an idiot.&lt;/a&gt;

While it is regrettable that wind turbines kill birds and bats, it seems stupid to reject such a promising form of renewable energy on that basis - and aesthetic complaints about having to see wind turbines outside are just silly. The landscape would be rendered a whole lot uglier by catastrophic climate change. Personally, I think wind farms look rather elegant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The other day, I saw and joined an amusingly titled but sensible Facebook group: <a href="http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=134195525461" rel="nofollow">Put a windfarm in my backyard if you like, because I&#8217;m not an idiot.</a></p>
<p>While it is regrettable that wind turbines kill birds and bats, it seems stupid to reject such a promising form of renewable energy on that basis &#8211; and aesthetic complaints about having to see wind turbines outside are just silly. The landscape would be rendered a whole lot uglier by catastrophic climate change. Personally, I think wind farms look rather elegant.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim C.</title>
		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2009/11/25/wind-farms-and-nimby-syndrome/#comment-88332</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 19:57:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tristan wrote: &quot;But we’re not trying to “save nature” – we’re trying to save ourselves.&quot;

Speak for yourself on that count! Nature is what keeps people alive and it should be respected on all levels. There are too  many &quot;techno-enviros&quot; pushing desecration of the landscape to satisfy a  mindlessly growing, wasteful human population.

I find it interesting that many neo-environmentalists are against dam-building for hydroelectric turbine power, yet won&#039;t admit that wind turbines are &quot;damning&quot; the landscape to indefinite blight. There are many similarities between capturing water energy and wind energy. It&#039;s all a form of solar energy. The sun evaporates water, which rains on mountains and flows downstream, and it also generates wind via temperature &amp; pressure differentials. Low-lying solar panels on existing roofs are the most benign form of renewable energy, visually speaking. 

Most environmental problems (by definition) are man-made to begin with, so coddling every human need is not the answer. We need much more birth control and restraint, not more turbines and pillaged industrial landscapes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tristan wrote: &#8220;But we’re not trying to “save nature” – we’re trying to save ourselves.&#8221;</p>
<p>Speak for yourself on that count! Nature is what keeps people alive and it should be respected on all levels. There are too  many &#8220;techno-enviros&#8221; pushing desecration of the landscape to satisfy a  mindlessly growing, wasteful human population.</p>
<p>I find it interesting that many neo-environmentalists are against dam-building for hydroelectric turbine power, yet won&#8217;t admit that wind turbines are &#8220;damning&#8221; the landscape to indefinite blight. There are many similarities between capturing water energy and wind energy. It&#8217;s all a form of solar energy. The sun evaporates water, which rains on mountains and flows downstream, and it also generates wind via temperature &amp; pressure differentials. Low-lying solar panels on existing roofs are the most benign form of renewable energy, visually speaking. </p>
<p>Most environmental problems (by definition) are man-made to begin with, so coddling every human need is not the answer. We need much more birth control and restraint, not more turbines and pillaged industrial landscapes.</p>
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