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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 17:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But we’re in danger of forgetting that it concerns a deadly serious matter: a change in the climatic conditions which have made human civilisation and the current human population possible, and, specifically, the degradation of the most wonderful and beautiful of the world’s ecosystems into desert and scrubby grassland. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.monbiot.com/archives/2010/07/06/a-bookful-of-bookerisms/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;It is hard to overstate the irresponsibility of those who misrepresent the science in order to persuade people that no action needs to be taken.&lt;/a&gt;&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But we’re in danger of forgetting that it concerns a deadly serious matter: a change in the climatic conditions which have made human civilisation and the current human population possible, and, specifically, the degradation of the most wonderful and beautiful of the world’s ecosystems into desert and scrubby grassland. <a href="http://www.monbiot.com/archives/2010/07/06/a-bookful-of-bookerisms/" rel="nofollow">It is hard to overstate the irresponsibility of those who misrepresent the science in order to persuade people that no action needs to be taken.</a>&#8220;</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jun 2010 21:05:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.vancouversun.com/technology/Climate%20change%20deniers%20doing%20disservice%20legitimate%20science/3169693/story.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Climate change deniers doing a disservice to legitimate science&lt;/a&gt;
 
By Naomi Oreskes and Richard Littlemore
Special to the Sun June 18, 2010

...

If you read either of our books ( Merchants of Doubt, by Naomi Oreskes and Erik M. Conway, or Climate Cover- up, by James Hoggan with Richard Littlemore), you&#039;ll find overwhelming evidence that the &quot;debate&quot; about climate change is neither accidental nor particularly scientific.

...

Doubt mongering works for three reasons. First, nobody likes bad news. Cancer-scare stories often make the news, but they can&#039;t compete with the reports that drinking a couple of glasses a wine per day might be the cure.

Second, reporters honour the underdog, especially in the U.S., with its tradition of glorifying the heroic individual. If most of the world&#039;s best scientists agree that climate change is real and threatening, reporters feel bound to give air time to outlying &quot;experts&quot; who promote a contrarian argument. The third reason also speaks to journalistic bias: News, almost by definition, tends to consist of the unusual, the unfortunate or the out-of-the-ordinary. Just as they ignore planes that don&#039;t crash or crimes that don&#039;t occur, reporters pay more attention to accusations of wrongdoing than to subsequent reports of acquittal. Innocence isn&#039;t interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.vancouversun.com/technology/Climate%20change%20deniers%20doing%20disservice%20legitimate%20science/3169693/story.html" rel="nofollow">Climate change deniers doing a disservice to legitimate science</a></p>
<p>By Naomi Oreskes and Richard Littlemore<br />
Special to the Sun June 18, 2010</p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<p>If you read either of our books ( Merchants of Doubt, by Naomi Oreskes and Erik M. Conway, or Climate Cover- up, by James Hoggan with Richard Littlemore), you&#8217;ll find overwhelming evidence that the &#8220;debate&#8221; about climate change is neither accidental nor particularly scientific.</p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<p>Doubt mongering works for three reasons. First, nobody likes bad news. Cancer-scare stories often make the news, but they can&#8217;t compete with the reports that drinking a couple of glasses a wine per day might be the cure.</p>
<p>Second, reporters honour the underdog, especially in the U.S., with its tradition of glorifying the heroic individual. If most of the world&#8217;s best scientists agree that climate change is real and threatening, reporters feel bound to give air time to outlying &#8220;experts&#8221; who promote a contrarian argument. The third reason also speaks to journalistic bias: News, almost by definition, tends to consist of the unusual, the unfortunate or the out-of-the-ordinary. Just as they ignore planes that don&#8217;t crash or crimes that don&#8217;t occur, reporters pay more attention to accusations of wrongdoing than to subsequent reports of acquittal. Innocence isn&#8217;t interesting.</p>
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		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2009/12/10/a-page-for-waverers/#comment-90653</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jun 2010 14:22:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The longer this goes on, the better it will be for all those who take science seriously. Lord Monckton is digging his hole ever deeper, and dragging down into it everyone stupid enough to follow him. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.monbiot.com/archives/2010/06/09/madder-and-madder/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Those of us who do battle with climate change deniers can’t inflict one tenth as much damage to their cause that Monckton wreaks every time he opens his mouth.&lt;/a&gt;

He has now answered the devastating debunking of his claims published by the professor of mechanical engineering John Abraham with a characteristically bonkers article(2). It conforms to the cast iron rules of climate change denial, which are as follows:

1. Falsely accuse the other person of ad hominem attacks, while making vicious ad hominem attacks of your own.

...

2. Ignore or gloss over the most substantial criticisms.

...

3. Never admit that you are wrong. Even when your errors are staring you in the face, do not acknowledge them. Never apologise, never concede. This is the crucial difference between scientists and charlatans. True scientists welcome challenges to their work, admit their mistakes and seek to refine and improve their hypotheses in the light of them. Charlatans raise the volume and denounce the people who expose their errors. Or they quietly drop their claims, without ever acknowledging that they were wrong, and replace them with a new set of implausible assertions.

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4. Project your worst characteristics onto your opponent.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The longer this goes on, the better it will be for all those who take science seriously. Lord Monckton is digging his hole ever deeper, and dragging down into it everyone stupid enough to follow him. <a href="http://www.monbiot.com/archives/2010/06/09/madder-and-madder/" rel="nofollow">Those of us who do battle with climate change deniers can’t inflict one tenth as much damage to their cause that Monckton wreaks every time he opens his mouth.</a></p>
<p>He has now answered the devastating debunking of his claims published by the professor of mechanical engineering John Abraham with a characteristically bonkers article(2). It conforms to the cast iron rules of climate change denial, which are as follows:</p>
<p>1. Falsely accuse the other person of ad hominem attacks, while making vicious ad hominem attacks of your own.</p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<p>2. Ignore or gloss over the most substantial criticisms.</p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<p>3. Never admit that you are wrong. Even when your errors are staring you in the face, do not acknowledge them. Never apologise, never concede. This is the crucial difference between scientists and charlatans. True scientists welcome challenges to their work, admit their mistakes and seek to refine and improve their hypotheses in the light of them. Charlatans raise the volume and denounce the people who expose their errors. Or they quietly drop their claims, without ever acknowledging that they were wrong, and replace them with a new set of implausible assertions.</p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<p>4. Project your worst characteristics onto your opponent.&#8221;</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 May 2010 17:19:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled.&quot;

Richard Feynman</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled.&#8221;</p>
<p>Richard Feynman</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 May 2010 15:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Scientific conclusions derive from an understanding of basic laws supported by laboratory experiments, observations of nature, and mathematical and computer modeling. Like all human beings, scientists make mistakes, but the scientific process is designed to find and correct them. This process is inherently adversarial—scientists build reputations and gain recognition not only for supporting conventional wisdom, but even more so for demonstrating that the scientific consensus is wrong and that there is a better explanation. That&#039;s what Galileo, Pasteur, Darwin, and Einstein did. But when some conclusions have been thoroughly and deeply tested, questioned, and examined, they gain the status of &quot;well-established theories&quot; and are often spoken of as &quot;facts.&quot;

For instance, there is compelling scientific evidence that our planet is about 4.5 billion years old (the theory of the origin of Earth), that our universe was born from a single event about 14 billion years ago (the Big Bang theory), and that today&#039;s organisms evolved from ones living in the past (the theory of evolution). Even as these are overwhelmingly accepted by the scientific community, fame still awaits anyone who could show these theories to be wrong. Climate change now falls into this category: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/328/5979/689&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;There is compelling, comprehensive, and consistent objective evidence that humans are changing the climate in ways that threaten our societies and the ecosystems on which we depend.&lt;/a&gt;

Many recent assaults on climate science and, more disturbingly, on climate scientists by climate change deniers are typically driven by special interests or dogma, not by an honest effort to provide an alternative theory that credibly satisfies the evidence. The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and other scientific assessments of climate change, which involve thousands of scientists producing massive and comprehensive reports, have, quite expectedly and normally, made some mistakes. When errors are pointed out, they are corrected. But there is nothing remotely identified in the recent events that changes the fundamental conclusions about climate change:

(i) The planet is warming due to increased concentrations of heat-trapping gases in our atmosphere. A snowy winter in Washington does not alter this fact.

(ii) Most of the increase in the concentration of these gases over the last century is due to human activities, especially the burning of fossil fuels and deforestation.

(iii) Natural causes always play a role in changing Earth&#039;s climate, but are now being overwhelmed by human-induced changes.

(iv) Warming the planet will cause many other climatic patterns to change at speeds unprecedented in modern times, including increasing rates of sea-level rise and alterations in the hydrologic cycle. Rising concentrations of carbon dioxide are making the oceans more acidic.

(v) The combination of these complex climate changes threatens coastal communities and cities, our food and water supplies, marine and freshwater ecosystems, forests, high mountain environments, and far more.

Much more can be, and has been, said by the world&#039;s scientific societies, national academies, and individuals, but these conclusions should be enough to indicate why scientists are concerned about what future generations will face from business-as-usual practices. We urge our policy-makers and the public to move forward immediately to address the causes of climate change, including the un restrained burning of fossil fuels.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Scientific conclusions derive from an understanding of basic laws supported by laboratory experiments, observations of nature, and mathematical and computer modeling. Like all human beings, scientists make mistakes, but the scientific process is designed to find and correct them. This process is inherently adversarial—scientists build reputations and gain recognition not only for supporting conventional wisdom, but even more so for demonstrating that the scientific consensus is wrong and that there is a better explanation. That&#8217;s what Galileo, Pasteur, Darwin, and Einstein did. But when some conclusions have been thoroughly and deeply tested, questioned, and examined, they gain the status of &#8220;well-established theories&#8221; and are often spoken of as &#8220;facts.&#8221;</p>
<p>For instance, there is compelling scientific evidence that our planet is about 4.5 billion years old (the theory of the origin of Earth), that our universe was born from a single event about 14 billion years ago (the Big Bang theory), and that today&#8217;s organisms evolved from ones living in the past (the theory of evolution). Even as these are overwhelmingly accepted by the scientific community, fame still awaits anyone who could show these theories to be wrong. Climate change now falls into this category: <a href="http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/328/5979/689" rel="nofollow">There is compelling, comprehensive, and consistent objective evidence that humans are changing the climate in ways that threaten our societies and the ecosystems on which we depend.</a></p>
<p>Many recent assaults on climate science and, more disturbingly, on climate scientists by climate change deniers are typically driven by special interests or dogma, not by an honest effort to provide an alternative theory that credibly satisfies the evidence. The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and other scientific assessments of climate change, which involve thousands of scientists producing massive and comprehensive reports, have, quite expectedly and normally, made some mistakes. When errors are pointed out, they are corrected. But there is nothing remotely identified in the recent events that changes the fundamental conclusions about climate change:</p>
<p>(i) The planet is warming due to increased concentrations of heat-trapping gases in our atmosphere. A snowy winter in Washington does not alter this fact.</p>
<p>(ii) Most of the increase in the concentration of these gases over the last century is due to human activities, especially the burning of fossil fuels and deforestation.</p>
<p>(iii) Natural causes always play a role in changing Earth&#8217;s climate, but are now being overwhelmed by human-induced changes.</p>
<p>(iv) Warming the planet will cause many other climatic patterns to change at speeds unprecedented in modern times, including increasing rates of sea-level rise and alterations in the hydrologic cycle. Rising concentrations of carbon dioxide are making the oceans more acidic.</p>
<p>(v) The combination of these complex climate changes threatens coastal communities and cities, our food and water supplies, marine and freshwater ecosystems, forests, high mountain environments, and far more.</p>
<p>Much more can be, and has been, said by the world&#8217;s scientific societies, national academies, and individuals, but these conclusions should be enough to indicate why scientists are concerned about what future generations will face from business-as-usual practices. We urge our policy-makers and the public to move forward immediately to address the causes of climate change, including the un restrained burning of fossil fuels.&#8221;</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Apr 2010 19:11:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;This is an article on climate economics, not climate science. But before we get to the economics, it’s worth establishing three things about the state of the scientific debate.

The first is that the planet is indeed warming. Weather fluctuates, and as a consequence it’s easy enough to point to an unusually warm year in the recent past, note that it’s cooler now and claim, “See, the planet is getting cooler, not warmer!” But if you look at the evidence the right way ­— taking averages over periods long enough to smooth out the fluctuations — the upward trend is unmistakable: each successive decade since the 1970s has been warmer than the one before.

Second, climate models predicted this well in advance, even getting the magnitude of the temperature rise roughly right. While it’s relatively easy to cook up an analysis that matches known data, it is much harder to create a model that accurately forecasts the future. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/11/magazine/11Economy-t.html?pagewanted=3&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;So the fact that climate modelers more than 20 years ago successfully predicted the subsequent global warming gives them enormous credibility.&lt;/a&gt;

...

And this brings me to my third point: models based on this research indicate that if we continue adding greenhouse gases to the atmosphere as we have, we will eventually face drastic changes in the climate. Let’s be clear. We’re not talking about a few more hot days in the summer and a bit less snow in the winter; we’re talking about massively disruptive events, like the transformation of the Southwestern United States into a permanent dust bowl over the next few decades.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;This is an article on climate economics, not climate science. But before we get to the economics, it’s worth establishing three things about the state of the scientific debate.</p>
<p>The first is that the planet is indeed warming. Weather fluctuates, and as a consequence it’s easy enough to point to an unusually warm year in the recent past, note that it’s cooler now and claim, “See, the planet is getting cooler, not warmer!” But if you look at the evidence the right way ­— taking averages over periods long enough to smooth out the fluctuations — the upward trend is unmistakable: each successive decade since the 1970s has been warmer than the one before.</p>
<p>Second, climate models predicted this well in advance, even getting the magnitude of the temperature rise roughly right. While it’s relatively easy to cook up an analysis that matches known data, it is much harder to create a model that accurately forecasts the future. <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/11/magazine/11Economy-t.html?pagewanted=3" rel="nofollow">So the fact that climate modelers more than 20 years ago successfully predicted the subsequent global warming gives them enormous credibility.</a></p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<p>And this brings me to my third point: models based on this research indicate that if we continue adding greenhouse gases to the atmosphere as we have, we will eventually face drastic changes in the climate. Let’s be clear. We’re not talking about a few more hot days in the summer and a bit less snow in the winter; we’re talking about massively disruptive events, like the transformation of the Southwestern United States into a permanent dust bowl over the next few decades.&#8221;</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 19:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The most relevant part of that universal what-else is the requirement laid down by thermodynamics that, for a planet at a constant temperature, the amount of energy absorbed as sunlight and the amount emitted back to space in the longer wavelengths of the infra-red must be the same. In the case of the Earth, the amount of sunlight absorbed is 239 watts per square metre. According to the laws of thermodynamics, a simple body emitting energy at that rate should have a temperature of about –18ºC. You do not need a comprehensive set of surface-temperature data to notice that this is not the average temperature at which humanity goes about its business. The discrepancy is due to greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, which absorb and re-emit infra-red radiation, and thus keep the lower atmosphere, and the surface, warm (see the diagram below). The radiation that gets out to the cosmos comes mostly from above the bulk of the greenhouse gases, where the air temperature is indeed around –18ºC.

Adding to those greenhouse gases in the atmosphere makes it harder still for the energy to get out. As a result, the surface and the lower atmosphere warm up. This changes the average temperature, the way energy moves from the planet’s surface to the atmosphere above it and the way that energy flows from equator to poles, thus changing the patterns of the weather.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.economist.com/displaystory.cfm?story_id=15719298&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;No one doubts that carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas, good at absorbing infra-red radiation. It is also well established that human activity is putting more of it into the atmosphere than natural processes can currently remove.&lt;/a&gt; Measurements made since the 1950s show the level of carbon dioxide rising year on year, from 316 parts per million (ppm) in 1959 to 387ppm in 2009. Less direct records show that the rise began about 1750, and that the level was stable at around 280ppm for about 10,000 years before that. This fits with human history: in the middle of the 18th century people started to burn fossil fuels in order to power industrial machinery. Analysis of carbon isotopes, among other things, shows that the carbon dioxide from industry accounts for most of the build-up in the atmosphere.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The most relevant part of that universal what-else is the requirement laid down by thermodynamics that, for a planet at a constant temperature, the amount of energy absorbed as sunlight and the amount emitted back to space in the longer wavelengths of the infra-red must be the same. In the case of the Earth, the amount of sunlight absorbed is 239 watts per square metre. According to the laws of thermodynamics, a simple body emitting energy at that rate should have a temperature of about –18ºC. You do not need a comprehensive set of surface-temperature data to notice that this is not the average temperature at which humanity goes about its business. The discrepancy is due to greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, which absorb and re-emit infra-red radiation, and thus keep the lower atmosphere, and the surface, warm (see the diagram below). The radiation that gets out to the cosmos comes mostly from above the bulk of the greenhouse gases, where the air temperature is indeed around –18ºC.</p>
<p>Adding to those greenhouse gases in the atmosphere makes it harder still for the energy to get out. As a result, the surface and the lower atmosphere warm up. This changes the average temperature, the way energy moves from the planet’s surface to the atmosphere above it and the way that energy flows from equator to poles, thus changing the patterns of the weather.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.economist.com/displaystory.cfm?story_id=15719298" rel="nofollow">No one doubts that carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas, good at absorbing infra-red radiation. It is also well established that human activity is putting more of it into the atmosphere than natural processes can currently remove.</a> Measurements made since the 1950s show the level of carbon dioxide rising year on year, from 316 parts per million (ppm) in 1959 to 387ppm in 2009. Less direct records show that the rise began about 1750, and that the level was stable at around 280ppm for about 10,000 years before that. This fits with human history: in the middle of the 18th century people started to burn fossil fuels in order to power industrial machinery. Analysis of carbon isotopes, among other things, shows that the carbon dioxide from industry accounts for most of the build-up in the atmosphere.&#8221;</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 16:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It would be an enormous relief if the recent attacks on the science of global warming actually indicated that we do not face an unimaginable calamity requiring large-scale, preventive measures to protect human civilization as we know it.

Of course, we would still need to deal with the national security risks of our growing dependence on a global oil market dominated by dwindling reserves in the most unstable region of the world, and the economic risks of sending hundreds of billions of dollars a year overseas in return for that oil. And we would still trail China in the race to develop smart grids, fast trains, solar power, wind, geothermal and other renewable sources of energy — the most important sources of new jobs in the 21st century.

But what a burden would be lifted! We would no longer have to worry that our grandchildren would one day look back on us as a criminal generation that had selfishly and blithely ignored clear warnings that their fate was in our hands. We could instead celebrate the naysayers who had doggedly persisted in proving that every major National Academy of Sciences report on climate change had simply made a huge mistake.

I, for one, genuinely wish that the climate crisis were an illusion. But unfortunately, the reality of the danger we are courting has not been changed by the discovery of at least two mistakes in the thousands of pages of careful scientific work over the last 22 years by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/28/opinion/28gore.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;In fact, the crisis is still growing because we are continuing to dump 90 million tons of global-warming pollution every 24 hours into the atmosphere — as if it were an open sewer.&lt;/a&gt;&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It would be an enormous relief if the recent attacks on the science of global warming actually indicated that we do not face an unimaginable calamity requiring large-scale, preventive measures to protect human civilization as we know it.</p>
<p>Of course, we would still need to deal with the national security risks of our growing dependence on a global oil market dominated by dwindling reserves in the most unstable region of the world, and the economic risks of sending hundreds of billions of dollars a year overseas in return for that oil. And we would still trail China in the race to develop smart grids, fast trains, solar power, wind, geothermal and other renewable sources of energy — the most important sources of new jobs in the 21st century.</p>
<p>But what a burden would be lifted! We would no longer have to worry that our grandchildren would one day look back on us as a criminal generation that had selfishly and blithely ignored clear warnings that their fate was in our hands. We could instead celebrate the naysayers who had doggedly persisted in proving that every major National Academy of Sciences report on climate change had simply made a huge mistake.</p>
<p>I, for one, genuinely wish that the climate crisis were an illusion. But unfortunately, the reality of the danger we are courting has not been changed by the discovery of at least two mistakes in the thousands of pages of careful scientific work over the last 22 years by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/28/opinion/28gore.html" rel="nofollow">In fact, the crisis is still growing because we are continuing to dump 90 million tons of global-warming pollution every 24 hours into the atmosphere — as if it were an open sewer.</a>&#8220;</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 15:40:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“The revolutionary idea that defines the boundary between modern times and the past is the mastery of risk: the notion that the future is more than a whim of the gods and that men and women are not passive before nature.”

-Peter Bernstein</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“The revolutionary idea that defines the boundary between modern times and the past is the mastery of risk: the notion that the future is more than a whim of the gods and that men and women are not passive before nature.”</p>
<p>-Peter Bernstein</p>
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		<dc:creator>Editorial policy and the importance of this movement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 03:24:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] If expressing that concern causes problems for me, I am willing to accept those problems. Even if concerns about greenhouse gases prove to be overblown, in the course of time, we have more than enough reason to respond to those concerns with alarm and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] If expressing that concern causes problems for me, I am willing to accept those problems. Even if concerns about greenhouse gases prove to be overblown, in the course of time, we have more than enough reason to respond to those concerns with alarm and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Milan</title>
		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2009/12/10/a-page-for-waverers/#comment-86222</link>
		<dc:creator>Milan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 20:24:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2009/04/farewell-to-our-readers/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;RealClimate&#039;s April Fools post&lt;/a&gt; does a good idea of highlighting the incoherence that exists in denier circles:

&quot;The contrarians have made a convincing case that (a) global warming isn’t happening, (b) even if it is, its entirely natural and within the bounds of natural variability, (c) well, even if its not natural, it is modest in nature and not a threat, (d) even if anthropogenic warming should turn out to be pronounced as projected, it will sure be good for us, leading to abundant crops and a healthy environment, and (e) well, it might actually be really bad, but hey, its unstoppable anyway.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2009/04/farewell-to-our-readers/" rel="nofollow">RealClimate&#8217;s April Fools post</a> does a good idea of highlighting the incoherence that exists in denier circles:</p>
<p>&#8220;The contrarians have made a convincing case that (a) global warming isn’t happening, (b) even if it is, its entirely natural and within the bounds of natural variability, (c) well, even if its not natural, it is modest in nature and not a threat, (d) even if anthropogenic warming should turn out to be pronounced as projected, it will sure be good for us, leading to abundant crops and a healthy environment, and (e) well, it might actually be really bad, but hey, its unstoppable anyway.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Milan</title>
		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2009/12/10/a-page-for-waverers/#comment-85485</link>
		<dc:creator>Milan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 21:26:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sindark.com/2010/01/14/open-query-causes-of-denial-and-delay/#comment-85481&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;responded to some objections here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I <a href="http://www.sindark.com/2010/01/14/open-query-causes-of-denial-and-delay/#comment-85481" rel="nofollow">responded to some objections here</a>.</p>
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