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		<title>By: Taking one action</title>
		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2010/01/26/my-fantasy-climate-change-policy/#comment-105836</link>
		<dc:creator>Taking one action</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jan 2011 00:43:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] well be that the problem can be solved by stealth, without much input from the average individual. My fantasy climate change policy doesn&#8217;t call for much in the way of voluntary action. For those individuals who are [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] well be that the problem can be solved by stealth, without much input from the average individual. My fantasy climate change policy doesn&#8217;t call for much in the way of voluntary action. For those individuals who are [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Milan</title>
		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2010/01/26/my-fantasy-climate-change-policy/#comment-93857</link>
		<dc:creator>Milan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 17:21:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sindark.com/2008/11/10/gores-five-point-climate-plan/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Al Gore’s five point climate plan&lt;/a&gt; would also be a good way to get started in North America, though it doesn&#039;t put quite enough emphasis on phasing out coal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.sindark.com/2008/11/10/gores-five-point-climate-plan/" rel="nofollow">Al Gore’s five point climate plan</a> would also be a good way to get started in North America, though it doesn&#8217;t put quite enough emphasis on phasing out coal.</p>
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		<title>By: Hydraulic fracturing and unconventional gas</title>
		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2010/01/26/my-fantasy-climate-change-policy/#comment-88684</link>
		<dc:creator>Hydraulic fracturing and unconventional gas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Apr 2010 14:29:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] gas emissions, and that will treat the risks associated with climate change appropriately by, among other things, putting a moratorium on coal [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] gas emissions, and that will treat the risks associated with climate change appropriately by, among other things, putting a moratorium on coal [...]</p>
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		<title>By: .</title>
		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2010/01/26/my-fantasy-climate-change-policy/#comment-88522</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Apr 2010 19:15:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;A market-based system would create decentralized incentives to do the right thing, and that’s the only way it can be done.

That said, some specific rules may be required. James Hansen, the renowned climate scientist who deserves much of the credit for making global warming an issue in the first place, has argued forcefully that most of the climate-change problem comes down to just one thing, burning coal, and that whatever else we do, we have to shut down coal burning over the next couple decades. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/11/magazine/11Economy-t.html?pagewanted=5&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;My economist’s reaction is that a stiff license fee would strongly discourage coal use anyway. But a market-based system might turn out to have loopholes — and their consequences could be dire. So I would advocate supplementing market-based disincentives with direct controls on coal burning.&lt;/a&gt;&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;A market-based system would create decentralized incentives to do the right thing, and that’s the only way it can be done.</p>
<p>That said, some specific rules may be required. James Hansen, the renowned climate scientist who deserves much of the credit for making global warming an issue in the first place, has argued forcefully that most of the climate-change problem comes down to just one thing, burning coal, and that whatever else we do, we have to shut down coal burning over the next couple decades. <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/11/magazine/11Economy-t.html?pagewanted=5" rel="nofollow">My economist’s reaction is that a stiff license fee would strongly discourage coal use anyway. But a market-based system might turn out to have loopholes — and their consequences could be dire. So I would advocate supplementing market-based disincentives with direct controls on coal burning.</a>&#8220;</p>
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		<title>By: .</title>
		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2010/01/26/my-fantasy-climate-change-policy/#comment-87292</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 19:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;So far, governments have proven themselves unable to impose prices on carbon high enough to meet the recommendations of the ramp-up supporters, to say nothing of those urging drastic action. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.economist.com/blogs/freeexchange/2010/03/climate_policy&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The idea that those same governments might somehow be able to adopt far more painful measures in order to forestall catastrophe is absurd. The public won&#039;t stand for it.&lt;/a&gt; And that&#039;s part of the political challenge of climate change—by the time the public is able to observe the catastrophic effects of warming in ways that might steel them to accept painful emissions reduction measures, it&#039;s too late to do anything about the problem.

What this suggests, then, is that while pursuit of a carbon price is a worthwhile goal, it can&#039;t be the end of the policy response. A carbon price, even one insufficiently small, would create some incentive to change behaviour and innovate. But what&#039;s also needed is a set of technological leaps sufficient to quickly and drastically increase the elasticity of demand for carbon. And that militates in favour of large-scale investment in green infrastructure and a broad push to encourage research into alternatives to carbon-intense activities. These activities wouldn&#039;t be cheap, but they&#039;d be easier to bear than an immediate price of $200 per tonne of carbon. And politically, such measures should go down easier, given that they entail the doling out of government resources rather than the imposition of a tax on a negative externality.

Of course, there will be costs to moving away from a purely market-driven approach to climate policy. Non-Pigouvian taxes to fund the above measures will generate bigger economic distortions, and targeted government spending is likely to breed some inefficiencies and opportunities for rent-seeking. Politics being politics, it&#039;s also possible that some counter-productive steps are taken—the example of ethanol subsidies looms large in these discussions. But for some expected cost and likelihood of tail climate impacts, these downsides become acceptable.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;So far, governments have proven themselves unable to impose prices on carbon high enough to meet the recommendations of the ramp-up supporters, to say nothing of those urging drastic action. <a href="http://www.economist.com/blogs/freeexchange/2010/03/climate_policy" rel="nofollow">The idea that those same governments might somehow be able to adopt far more painful measures in order to forestall catastrophe is absurd. The public won&#8217;t stand for it.</a> And that&#8217;s part of the political challenge of climate change—by the time the public is able to observe the catastrophic effects of warming in ways that might steel them to accept painful emissions reduction measures, it&#8217;s too late to do anything about the problem.</p>
<p>What this suggests, then, is that while pursuit of a carbon price is a worthwhile goal, it can&#8217;t be the end of the policy response. A carbon price, even one insufficiently small, would create some incentive to change behaviour and innovate. But what&#8217;s also needed is a set of technological leaps sufficient to quickly and drastically increase the elasticity of demand for carbon. And that militates in favour of large-scale investment in green infrastructure and a broad push to encourage research into alternatives to carbon-intense activities. These activities wouldn&#8217;t be cheap, but they&#8217;d be easier to bear than an immediate price of $200 per tonne of carbon. And politically, such measures should go down easier, given that they entail the doling out of government resources rather than the imposition of a tax on a negative externality.</p>
<p>Of course, there will be costs to moving away from a purely market-driven approach to climate policy. Non-Pigouvian taxes to fund the above measures will generate bigger economic distortions, and targeted government spending is likely to breed some inefficiencies and opportunities for rent-seeking. Politics being politics, it&#8217;s also possible that some counter-productive steps are taken—the example of ethanol subsidies looms large in these discussions. But for some expected cost and likelihood of tail climate impacts, these downsides become acceptable.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Climate science and policy-making</title>
		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2010/01/26/my-fantasy-climate-change-policy/#comment-86674</link>
		<dc:creator>Climate science and policy-making</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 17:40:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] My fantasy climate change policy combines a moratorium on coal and unconventional fossil fuels with a hard cap on emissions. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: When a cap-and-trade system stops biting</title>
		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2010/01/26/my-fantasy-climate-change-policy/#comment-86515</link>
		<dc:creator>When a cap-and-trade system stops biting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 12:10:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] too dangerous to allow continued growing use. Before carbon prices, I would be happier to see both developed and developing states adopt moratoriums on new coal-fired facilities, except perhaps those that actually capture and store the great majority of their greenhouse gas [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] too dangerous to allow continued growing use. Before carbon prices, I would be happier to see both developed and developing states adopt moratoriums on new coal-fired facilities, except perhaps those that actually capture and store the great majority of their greenhouse gas [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Storms of My Grandchildren</title>
		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2010/01/26/my-fantasy-climate-change-policy/#comment-86323</link>
		<dc:creator>Storms of My Grandchildren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 18:50:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] fossil fuels at the point of production or import. His overall view is not so different from the fantasy climate change policy I wrote earlier, though I hadn&#8217;t been fully aware of all the risks Hansen enumerates when I [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] fossil fuels at the point of production or import. His overall view is not so different from the fantasy climate change policy I wrote earlier, though I hadn&#8217;t been fully aware of all the risks Hansen enumerates when I [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Milan</title>
		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2010/01/26/my-fantasy-climate-change-policy/#comment-86132</link>
		<dc:creator>Milan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 14:48:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would support policies that encouraged people - especially in rich states with high per-capita emissions - to have fewer children.

Such policies would have to be carefully designed, however, so as not to have a harmful effect on children who, after all, didn&#039;t choose to be born. As discussed before, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sindark.com/2009/03/31/rethinking-abstinence/#comment-72989&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;cutting subsidies for child raising&lt;/a&gt; does risk harming innocent kids.

One option that could work is cutting pension benefits for people who have more than two children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would support policies that encouraged people &#8211; especially in rich states with high per-capita emissions &#8211; to have fewer children.</p>
<p>Such policies would have to be carefully designed, however, so as not to have a harmful effect on children who, after all, didn&#8217;t choose to be born. As discussed before, <a href="http://www.sindark.com/2009/03/31/rethinking-abstinence/#comment-72989" rel="nofollow">cutting subsidies for child raising</a> does risk harming innocent kids.</p>
<p>One option that could work is cutting pension benefits for people who have more than two children.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Nassichuk</title>
		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2010/01/26/my-fantasy-climate-change-policy/#comment-86047</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan Nassichuk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 03:38:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about a two-child policy?
A one-child policy?
A  several-cats-but-no-more-children-please policy?

People who don&#039;t exist have very low carbon footprints.

I know it currently falls very much into the &#039;fantasy&#039; category, at least here in Canada, but it seems to me that population control could be a very effective, albeit longterm, part of the solution to climate change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about a two-child policy?<br />
A one-child policy?<br />
A  several-cats-but-no-more-children-please policy?</p>
<p>People who don&#8217;t exist have very low carbon footprints.</p>
<p>I know it currently falls very much into the &#8216;fantasy&#8217; category, at least here in Canada, but it seems to me that population control could be a very effective, albeit longterm, part of the solution to climate change.</p>
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		<title>By: .</title>
		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2010/01/26/my-fantasy-climate-change-policy/#comment-85942</link>
		<dc:creator>.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 17:19:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Coal burning at power plants is the greatest source of increasing atmospheric carbon dioxide. It is also the source most susceptible to control.&quot;

Hansen, James. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sindark.com/2010/02/05/storms-of-my-grandchildren/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Storms of My Grandchildren&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;. p.2 (hardcover)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Coal burning at power plants is the greatest source of increasing atmospheric carbon dioxide. It is also the source most susceptible to control.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hansen, James. <a href="http://www.sindark.com/2010/02/05/storms-of-my-grandchildren/" rel="nofollow"><em>Storms of My Grandchildren</em></a>. p.2 (hardcover)</p>
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		<title>By: richard pauli</title>
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		<dc:creator>richard pauli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 20:58:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh I just heard the term  &quot;distributed capitalism&quot;  

The term sounds much better than national socialism or totalitarian capitalism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh I just heard the term  &#8220;distributed capitalism&#8221;  </p>
<p>The term sounds much better than national socialism or totalitarian capitalism.</p>
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