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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2011 01:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By comparing rates of seed formation during the different phases of the experiments, the researchers have been able to put a figure on cosmic rays’ contribution to the process. The results, reported in this week’s Nature, suggest naturally occurring rays enhance seed-formation rates by a factor of ten. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.economist.com/node/21526788&quot; title=&quot;Climate science (II): Clouds in a jar &#124; The Economist&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;That implies the rays’ varying intensity could indeed affect the climate.&lt;/a&gt;

Dr Kirkby and his colleagues remain cautious about the result, however, because of a second finding. To their surprise, they discovered that the seed-formation rates for sulphuric acid and ammonia are between a tenth and a thousandth of those needed to account for the cloud seeding actually seen in the atmosphere. That suggests other compounds are important, too—and this, in turn, implies that current climate models, which assume most seeds are made of ammonia or sulphuric acid, may require revision.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By comparing rates of seed formation during the different phases of the experiments, the researchers have been able to put a figure on cosmic rays’ contribution to the process. The results, reported in this week’s Nature, suggest naturally occurring rays enhance seed-formation rates by a factor of ten. <a href="http://www.economist.com/node/21526788" title="Climate science (II): Clouds in a jar | The Economist" rel="nofollow">That implies the rays’ varying intensity could indeed affect the climate.</a></p>
<p>Dr Kirkby and his colleagues remain cautious about the result, however, because of a second finding. To their surprise, they discovered that the seed-formation rates for sulphuric acid and ammonia are between a tenth and a thousandth of those needed to account for the cloud seeding actually seen in the atmosphere. That suggests other compounds are important, too—and this, in turn, implies that current climate models, which assume most seeds are made of ammonia or sulphuric acid, may require revision.</p>
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		<title>By: Peer reviewed science!</title>
		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2010/02/03/climate-change-the-solar-hypothesis/#comment-128634</link>
		<dc:creator>Peer reviewed science!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jul 2011 02:05:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Benestad, R.E. and G.A. Schmidt, 2009, Solar trends and global warming. Journal of Geophysical Research, Vol, 114, D14101, doi: 10.1029/2008JD011639.

A new methodological paper is critical of previous estimates of a large contribution of solar forcing to recent global warming based on linear analytical methods. This work concludes that solar forcing most likely accounts for 7 ± 1% of 20th century warming.

Benestad and Schmidt (2000) explore methodologies used to detect and attribute the contribution of solar forcing to global warming over the 20th century. To accomplish this, they test the ability of different statistical techniques to correctly quantify solar forcing in GCM (GISS ModelE GCM) simulations of 20th century climate that have been generated with known forcing contributions. Similar analyses are applied to the observed temperature record. Their results demonstrate that, in the presence of internal climate variability and multiple colinear forcings, linear analytical methods (such as regression) yield non-robust results. The authors are also critical of previous studies by scientists Scafetta and West that have yielded high estimates of the solar contribution to global warming (50-69% since 1900) based on such methods. As such, the authors repeat their analyses and evaluate their robustness using modeled and observed data. The authors conclude that the linear approach of Scafetta and West is subject to the problems noted above and suggest that the solar contribution to global warming is unlikely to have been larger than 7 ± 1% (0.1-0.2°C) over the 20th century and is negligible for warming since 1980.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ec.gc.ca/sc-cs/default.asp?lang=en&amp;n=69C75103-1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Summary courtesy of Environment Canada&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Benestad, R.E. and G.A. Schmidt, 2009, Solar trends and global warming. Journal of Geophysical Research, Vol, 114, D14101, doi: 10.1029/2008JD011639.</p>
<p>A new methodological paper is critical of previous estimates of a large contribution of solar forcing to recent global warming based on linear analytical methods. This work concludes that solar forcing most likely accounts for 7 ± 1% of 20th century warming.</p>
<p>Benestad and Schmidt (2000) explore methodologies used to detect and attribute the contribution of solar forcing to global warming over the 20th century. To accomplish this, they test the ability of different statistical techniques to correctly quantify solar forcing in GCM (GISS ModelE GCM) simulations of 20th century climate that have been generated with known forcing contributions. Similar analyses are applied to the observed temperature record. Their results demonstrate that, in the presence of internal climate variability and multiple colinear forcings, linear analytical methods (such as regression) yield non-robust results. The authors are also critical of previous studies by scientists Scafetta and West that have yielded high estimates of the solar contribution to global warming (50-69% since 1900) based on such methods. As such, the authors repeat their analyses and evaluate their robustness using modeled and observed data. The authors conclude that the linear approach of Scafetta and West is subject to the problems noted above and suggest that the solar contribution to global warming is unlikely to have been larger than 7 ± 1% (0.1-0.2°C) over the 20th century and is negligible for warming since 1980.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ec.gc.ca/sc-cs/default.asp?lang=en&amp;n=69C75103-1" rel="nofollow">Summary courtesy of Environment Canada</a></p>
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		<title>By: Peer reviewed science!</title>
		<link>http://www.sindark.com/2010/02/03/climate-change-the-solar-hypothesis/#comment-128630</link>
		<dc:creator>Peer reviewed science!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jul 2011 01:45:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Song, X., D. Lubin, and G. Zhang. 2010. Increased greenhouse gases enhance regional climate response to a Maunder Minimum. GRL, Vol. 37, Lo1703, doi:10,1029/2009GL041290, 2010.&lt;/strong&gt;

A future Maunder-Minimum type drop in solar irradiance is not expected to offset CO 2 -induced warming and may even amplify the warming in certain regions.
During the 11 year solar cycle, total solar irradiance (TSI) fluctuates by about 0.1%. This small but important variation has a detectable influence on the Earth’s climate through changes in atmospheric pressure (AO/NAO) and surface air temperatures, which can be amplified through a sea ice-solar radiation feedback. Imposed on this short term cycle are longer term variations in solar irradiance. A sustained long term drop in solar activity occurred during the Maunder Minimum (1645-1715), when TSI was thought to have been reduced by about 0.2% causing severe winters in the western Baltic regions. This study investigates how a future climate system would respond if the TSI were to decrease in the future, as it did during the Maunder Minimum. Given that future climates will be warmer as a result of elevated greenhouse gases, a question of interest is whether a similar decrease in the TSI sometime later this century would result in similar cooling. The authors examined the climate system responses to a sustained multi-decadal decrease in TSI of 0.2% in a pre-industrial era climate and under a global warming scenario (IPCC B1 scenario) using the NCAR CAM3 model coupled with a mixed-layer slab ocean model. They found that the global average cooling effect induced by the TSI decrease is reduced by about 27% in the B1 scenario relative to that in the pre-industrial era. This difference was due to both the suppression of the sea ice-solar radiation feedback and a stronger greenhouse effect associated with the increase in greenhouse gases. Regionally, however, a more negative AO/NAO affected wind circulation and sea air temperatures which strongly amplified warming in certain regions in the B1 scenario, namely in western Greenland, Central Asia and East Asia. The results showed that a future solar grand minimum is not expected to offset the CO2-induced warming under even a relatively low warming scenario (B1) and may in fact amplify the warming in certain regions.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ec.gc.ca/sc-cs/default.asp?lang=en&amp;n=6F2F7A7C-1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Summary courtesy of Environment Canada&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Song, X., D. Lubin, and G. Zhang. 2010. Increased greenhouse gases enhance regional climate response to a Maunder Minimum. GRL, Vol. 37, Lo1703, doi:10,1029/2009GL041290, 2010.</strong></p>
<p>A future Maunder-Minimum type drop in solar irradiance is not expected to offset CO 2 -induced warming and may even amplify the warming in certain regions.<br />
During the 11 year solar cycle, total solar irradiance (TSI) fluctuates by about 0.1%. This small but important variation has a detectable influence on the Earth’s climate through changes in atmospheric pressure (AO/NAO) and surface air temperatures, which can be amplified through a sea ice-solar radiation feedback. Imposed on this short term cycle are longer term variations in solar irradiance. A sustained long term drop in solar activity occurred during the Maunder Minimum (1645-1715), when TSI was thought to have been reduced by about 0.2% causing severe winters in the western Baltic regions. This study investigates how a future climate system would respond if the TSI were to decrease in the future, as it did during the Maunder Minimum. Given that future climates will be warmer as a result of elevated greenhouse gases, a question of interest is whether a similar decrease in the TSI sometime later this century would result in similar cooling. The authors examined the climate system responses to a sustained multi-decadal decrease in TSI of 0.2% in a pre-industrial era climate and under a global warming scenario (IPCC B1 scenario) using the NCAR CAM3 model coupled with a mixed-layer slab ocean model. They found that the global average cooling effect induced by the TSI decrease is reduced by about 27% in the B1 scenario relative to that in the pre-industrial era. This difference was due to both the suppression of the sea ice-solar radiation feedback and a stronger greenhouse effect associated with the increase in greenhouse gases. Regionally, however, a more negative AO/NAO affected wind circulation and sea air temperatures which strongly amplified warming in certain regions in the B1 scenario, namely in western Greenland, Central Asia and East Asia. The results showed that a future solar grand minimum is not expected to offset the CO2-induced warming under even a relatively low warming scenario (B1) and may in fact amplify the warming in certain regions.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ec.gc.ca/sc-cs/default.asp?lang=en&amp;n=6F2F7A7C-1" rel="nofollow">Summary courtesy of Environment Canada</a></p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jul 2011 01:39:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Solar physics
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.economist.com/node/18833483?story_id=18833483&quot; title=&quot;Solar physics: Sun down &#124; The Economist&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Sun down&lt;/a&gt;
Several lines of evidence suggest that the sun is about to go quiet

DURING the four centuries that it has been studied in detail, the sun has usually behaved in a regular manner. The number of spots on its surface has waxed and waned in cycles that last, on average, 11 years. Such cycles begin with spots appearing in mid-solar latitudes and end with them near the equator. And the more spots there are, the more solar storms there are around.

Sometimes, though, the sun sulks and this solar cycle stops. That has happened twice since records began: during the so-called Maunder minimum of 1645 to 1715 and the Dalton minimum of 1790 to 1830. These coincided with periods when global temperatures were lower than average, though why is a matter of debate.

An absence of sunspots also means an absence of solar flares and their more violent siblings, coronal mass ejections. Such outbursts disrupt radio and satellite communications, electricity grids and a variety of electronic equipment, so the pattern of solar activity is of more than academic interest. A new solar minimum, then, would test theories about how the climate works and also make communications more reliable. And many solar physicists think such a new minimum is on the cards. A group of them, who all work for America’s National Solar Observatory (NSO), have just had a meeting in New Mexico, under the aegis of the American Astronomical Society, to announce their latest results.

...

That is good news for operators of communications satellites. And it is interesting news for those who worry about global warming. &lt;strong&gt;If the Maunder and Dalton minima actually did affect the climate, then a new one might counteract the effects of the extra greenhouse gases people are now pumping into the atmosphere—at least, until the solar cycle returns. Whether the breathing space thus granted would be used wisely or squandered is another matter. Do not expect that debate to be as placid as the spotless sun.&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Solar physics<br />
<a href="http://www.economist.com/node/18833483?story_id=18833483" title="Solar physics: Sun down | The Economist" rel="nofollow">Sun down</a><br />
Several lines of evidence suggest that the sun is about to go quiet</p>
<p>DURING the four centuries that it has been studied in detail, the sun has usually behaved in a regular manner. The number of spots on its surface has waxed and waned in cycles that last, on average, 11 years. Such cycles begin with spots appearing in mid-solar latitudes and end with them near the equator. And the more spots there are, the more solar storms there are around.</p>
<p>Sometimes, though, the sun sulks and this solar cycle stops. That has happened twice since records began: during the so-called Maunder minimum of 1645 to 1715 and the Dalton minimum of 1790 to 1830. These coincided with periods when global temperatures were lower than average, though why is a matter of debate.</p>
<p>An absence of sunspots also means an absence of solar flares and their more violent siblings, coronal mass ejections. Such outbursts disrupt radio and satellite communications, electricity grids and a variety of electronic equipment, so the pattern of solar activity is of more than academic interest. A new solar minimum, then, would test theories about how the climate works and also make communications more reliable. And many solar physicists think such a new minimum is on the cards. A group of them, who all work for America’s National Solar Observatory (NSO), have just had a meeting in New Mexico, under the aegis of the American Astronomical Society, to announce their latest results.</p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<p>That is good news for operators of communications satellites. And it is interesting news for those who worry about global warming. <strong>If the Maunder and Dalton minima actually did affect the climate, then a new one might counteract the effects of the extra greenhouse gases people are now pumping into the atmosphere—at least, until the solar cycle returns. Whether the breathing space thus granted would be used wisely or squandered is another matter. Do not expect that debate to be as placid as the spotless sun.</strong></p>
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		<title>By: Multiple lines of evidence</title>
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		<dc:creator>Multiple lines of evidence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Dec 2010 16:16:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and cross-checking. Contrast that approach with that of some climate change deniers who simply assert an alternative cause for warming (or deny that warming is even happening) and then tell everybody not to worry and to keep burning [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and cross-checking. Contrast that approach with that of some climate change deniers who simply assert an alternative cause for warming (or deny that warming is even happening) and then tell everybody not to worry and to keep burning [...]</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Oct 2010 15:20:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-11480916&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Solar surprise for climate issue&lt;/a&gt;
By Richard Black Environment correspondent, BBC News 

The Sun&#039;s influence on modern-day global warming may have been overestimated, a study suggests.

Scientists found unexpected patterns in solar output in the years 2004-2007, which challenge existing models.

However, they caution that three years of data are not enough to draw firm conclusions about long-term trends.

Writing in the journal Nature, they say it may become necessary to revise the way that solar influences are dealt with in computer models of the climate.

But, they add, the research does not challenge the role of humanity&#039;s production of greenhouse gases as the dominant long-term driver of modern-day climate change.

&quot;What we can&#039;t really do at this stage is to extrapolate from this three-year period to any longer period - we can&#039;t even say that [what we&#039;ve seen] has happened on previous solar cycles,&quot; said principal researcher Joanna Haigh from Imperial College London.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-11480916" rel="nofollow">Solar surprise for climate issue</a><br />
By Richard Black Environment correspondent, BBC News </p>
<p>The Sun&#8217;s influence on modern-day global warming may have been overestimated, a study suggests.</p>
<p>Scientists found unexpected patterns in solar output in the years 2004-2007, which challenge existing models.</p>
<p>However, they caution that three years of data are not enough to draw firm conclusions about long-term trends.</p>
<p>Writing in the journal Nature, they say it may become necessary to revise the way that solar influences are dealt with in computer models of the climate.</p>
<p>But, they add, the research does not challenge the role of humanity&#8217;s production of greenhouse gases as the dominant long-term driver of modern-day climate change.</p>
<p>&#8220;What we can&#8217;t really do at this stage is to extrapolate from this three-year period to any longer period &#8211; we can&#8217;t even say that [what we've seen] has happened on previous solar cycles,&#8221; said principal researcher Joanna Haigh from Imperial College London.</p>
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		<title>By: Milan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Milan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Sep 2010 14:51:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a nice little rebuttal. It can be applied to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sindark.com/2009/07/28/hfcs-and-climate-change/#comment-80289&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the sunspot people&lt;/a&gt;, like Dan Pangburn, as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a nice little rebuttal. It can be applied to <a href="http://www.sindark.com/2009/07/28/hfcs-and-climate-change/#comment-80289" rel="nofollow">the sunspot people</a>, like Dan Pangburn, as well.</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Sep 2010 14:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;There was an even bigger problem with the Marshall [Institute&#039;s 1989 report] analysis that climate modeler Steven Schneider pointed out. If Jastrow and company were right that the climate was extremely sensitive to small changes in solar output, then it meant the climate would also be extremely sensitive to small changes in greenhouse gases. Schneider argued,&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;If only a few tenths of a percent change in solar energy were responsible for the [observed] .5 C long trend in climate over the past century, then this would suggest a planet that is relatively sensitive to small energy inputs. The Marshall Institute simply can&#039;t have it both ways: they can&#039;t argue on the one hand that small changes in solar energy output can cause large temperature changes, and that comparable changes in the energy input from greenhouse gases will not produce comparable large signals. Either the system is sensitive to large scale radiative forcing ot it is not.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;Sensitivity cuts both ways. And as physicists, [Marshall Institute employees] Jastroy, Seitz, and Nierenberg would of course have known this.&quot;

Oreskes, Naomi and Erik Conway. &lt;em&gt;Merchants of Doubt: How a Handful of Scientists Obscured the Truth on Issues from Tobacco Smoke to Global Warming.&lt;/em&gt; p.189 (hardcover)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;There was an even bigger problem with the Marshall [Institute's 1989 report] analysis that climate modeler Steven Schneider pointed out. If Jastrow and company were right that the climate was extremely sensitive to small changes in solar output, then it meant the climate would also be extremely sensitive to small changes in greenhouse gases. Schneider argued,<br />
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<p>If only a few tenths of a percent change in solar energy were responsible for the [observed] .5 C long trend in climate over the past century, then this would suggest a planet that is relatively sensitive to small energy inputs. The Marshall Institute simply can&#8217;t have it both ways: they can&#8217;t argue on the one hand that small changes in solar energy output can cause large temperature changes, and that comparable changes in the energy input from greenhouse gases will not produce comparable large signals. Either the system is sensitive to large scale radiative forcing ot it is not.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Sensitivity cuts both ways. And as physicists, [Marshall Institute employees] Jastroy, Seitz, and Nierenberg would of course have known this.&#8221;</p>
<p>Oreskes, Naomi and Erik Conway. <em>Merchants of Doubt: How a Handful of Scientists Obscured the Truth on Issues from Tobacco Smoke to Global Warming.</em> p.189 (hardcover)</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 20:35:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2010/03/more-on-sun-climate-relations/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;More on sun-climate relations&lt;/a&gt;

Four new papers discuss the relatiosnhip between solar activity and climate: one by Judith Lean (2010) in WIREs Climate Change, a GRL paper by Calogovic et al. (2010), Kulmala et al. (2010), and an on-line preprint by Feulner and Rahmstorf (2010). They all look at different aspects of how changes in solar activity may influence our climate.

The paper by Judith Lean (2010) has the character of a review article, summarizing past studies on the relationship between solar forcing and climate. The main message from her article is that the solar forcing probably plays a modest role for the global warming over the last 100 years (10% or less). It’s a nice overview, but I miss treatment of uncertainties.

Her analysis is based on the HadCRUT3 data, and I wonder if she would get similar results if she chose the GISTEMP or NCDC instead. The choice may in particular be relevant for the discussion of the temperatures after 1998.

Personally, I regard the data on solar activity before 1900 as quite uncertain too. The reason is that there are strange things happening to the solar cycle length in the shift from the 19th to the 20th century. Hence, any analysis based on the past centuries is uncertain because of suspect data quality in the early part of the record. Lean mentions that proxy-based records are uncertain, however.

Another source of uncertainty stems from the analysis itself – a regression analysis with chaotic data can easily yield misleading results. Gavin and I showed in a recent paper that multiple regression can produce strange results when applied to the global mean temperature and a number of forcings. 

In other words, I think the reader may get the wrong impression from Lean (2010) that the link between solar activity and climate is better established than the data and methods suggest. Especially when she discusses forecasts for the near future (eg. for year 2014) – I fear that such a discussion can be misinterpreted and misused. However, that’s my view, and it does not necessarily mean that her paper is incorrect – quite the opposite, I think her main conclusions are sound (Her estimate of the solar contribution to the global warming over past century – 10% or less – is in good agreement with the figure Gavin and I got in our analysis).

The positive side is that the paper is probably clearer and more accessible without all these caveats. I also think she makes an interesting point when she discusses ‘fundamental puzzles’ associated with claims of strong solar role in terms of the past warming. She puts this into the context of climate sensitivity, arguing that it would imply that Earth’s climate be insensitive to well-measured increases in GHG concentrations and simultaneously excessively sensitive to poorly known solar brightness changes. Furthermore, Lean argues that it would also require that the Sun’s brightness increased more in the past century than at any time in the past millennium – a situation not readily supported by observations. 

...

So what can we learn from these articles? What we see is how science often works – increases in knowledge by increments and independent studies re-affirming previous findings, namely that changes in the sun play a minor role in climate change on decadal to centennial scales. After all, 2009 was the second-warmest year on record, and by far the warmest in the southern hemisphere, despite the record solar minimum. The solar signal for the past 25 years is not just small but negative (i.e. cooling), but this has not noticeably slowed down global warming. But there are also many unknowns remaining, and the largest uncertainties concern clouds, cloud physics, and their impact on climate. In this sense, I find it ironic that some people still rely on the cosmic rays argument as their strongest argument against AGW – it does involve poorly known clouds physics!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2010/03/more-on-sun-climate-relations/" rel="nofollow">More on sun-climate relations</a></p>
<p>Four new papers discuss the relatiosnhip between solar activity and climate: one by Judith Lean (2010) in WIREs Climate Change, a GRL paper by Calogovic et al. (2010), Kulmala et al. (2010), and an on-line preprint by Feulner and Rahmstorf (2010). They all look at different aspects of how changes in solar activity may influence our climate.</p>
<p>The paper by Judith Lean (2010) has the character of a review article, summarizing past studies on the relationship between solar forcing and climate. The main message from her article is that the solar forcing probably plays a modest role for the global warming over the last 100 years (10% or less). It’s a nice overview, but I miss treatment of uncertainties.</p>
<p>Her analysis is based on the HadCRUT3 data, and I wonder if she would get similar results if she chose the GISTEMP or NCDC instead. The choice may in particular be relevant for the discussion of the temperatures after 1998.</p>
<p>Personally, I regard the data on solar activity before 1900 as quite uncertain too. The reason is that there are strange things happening to the solar cycle length in the shift from the 19th to the 20th century. Hence, any analysis based on the past centuries is uncertain because of suspect data quality in the early part of the record. Lean mentions that proxy-based records are uncertain, however.</p>
<p>Another source of uncertainty stems from the analysis itself – a regression analysis with chaotic data can easily yield misleading results. Gavin and I showed in a recent paper that multiple regression can produce strange results when applied to the global mean temperature and a number of forcings. </p>
<p>In other words, I think the reader may get the wrong impression from Lean (2010) that the link between solar activity and climate is better established than the data and methods suggest. Especially when she discusses forecasts for the near future (eg. for year 2014) – I fear that such a discussion can be misinterpreted and misused. However, that’s my view, and it does not necessarily mean that her paper is incorrect – quite the opposite, I think her main conclusions are sound (Her estimate of the solar contribution to the global warming over past century – 10% or less – is in good agreement with the figure Gavin and I got in our analysis).</p>
<p>The positive side is that the paper is probably clearer and more accessible without all these caveats. I also think she makes an interesting point when she discusses ‘fundamental puzzles’ associated with claims of strong solar role in terms of the past warming. She puts this into the context of climate sensitivity, arguing that it would imply that Earth’s climate be insensitive to well-measured increases in GHG concentrations and simultaneously excessively sensitive to poorly known solar brightness changes. Furthermore, Lean argues that it would also require that the Sun’s brightness increased more in the past century than at any time in the past millennium – a situation not readily supported by observations. </p>
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<p>So what can we learn from these articles? What we see is how science often works – increases in knowledge by increments and independent studies re-affirming previous findings, namely that changes in the sun play a minor role in climate change on decadal to centennial scales. After all, 2009 was the second-warmest year on record, and by far the warmest in the southern hemisphere, despite the record solar minimum. The solar signal for the past 25 years is not just small but negative (i.e. cooling), but this has not noticeably slowed down global warming. But there are also many unknowns remaining, and the largest uncertainties concern clouds, cloud physics, and their impact on climate. In this sense, I find it ironic that some people still rely on the cosmic rays argument as their strongest argument against AGW – it does involve poorly known clouds physics!</p>
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